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From: barry@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Mikki Barry)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,net.religion.christian
Subject: Re: A Fig for 'what's his name'.
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Date: Wed, 24-Sep-86 09:55:32 EDT
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In article <258@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes:

>In article <1156@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes:
>>Second, any god who can supposedly perform resurrections could surely have
>>performed a different miracle and caused the tree to spontaneously bear
>>fruit (or be cured, if your silly speculation is assumed.)

>Very true, but remember Mike, some of us are more thick headed
>than others and we couldn't learn that there miracle thing so
>good in this life, so maybe we should be give a few lessons in
>"tough love".  You can't imagine what monsters some of us turn
>out to be when "mommy" and "dada" always come to the rescue every
>time we mess up.  

Sounds to me like the "Sure, I *could* have done that...I just didn't want
to" you probably heard when the neighborhood pompous ass was cornered as
a kid.  You really believe in a god like this?

It is unfortunate that many religious people have to resort to doublespeak
when it comes to dealing with "miracles".  They blindly assume that whatever
this entity that they so dearly want to believe is good, ALWAYS does good.
Regardless that it may be killing a tree for being a tree, sending humans
to hell for being imperfect (even though *he* supposedly made us this way),
cursing the human race for seeking knowledge, razing the entire earth with a
flood, killing multitudes in cities he decided weren't quite good enough for
him, killing children for taunting a prophet, and the list goes on.  

>>I'm disgusted by the common Christian attitude that "because we assume
>>god is good, we can make up any outlandish story we want to reinterpret
>>the bible to cast god in a favorable light."  
>>You blatantly assume what you want to prove, rather than examining 
>>the evidence (such as it is.)
>
>On dear, I'm guilty, I'm guilty!  Do anything -  but Please,.. I beg you!
>          DON'T FEED ME TO THE CHRISTIANS.      aaaaaahhhhhggga

You mean you can't think of anything substantial to say to Mike's point?
He brought up a good one, yet all you do is flail around it and make sarcastic
remarks.  Why not add a bit of response along with them?

By the way, you ARE guilty if you are a christian.  Your religion teaches
you that you are born with ready-made sin.  And it seems that it is too late.
You have already been "fed" to the christians.

Believe if you wish, but please do not think that the rest of the net will
look at the absurdities expressed about this "miracle" and not wonder,
doubt, and perhaps disbelieve.  It will always be illogical to many of us
that this "wonderful and caring fatherly god" would wontonly kill one of his
creations because it was imperfect when he himself made it that way.

>Gee,  I think I've met me a "flaming liberal".

Really?  Mike H?  Now that *is* funny!

Mikki Barry
HASA
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"Here are the five alternate histories," Graud said, his wise old eyes
crinkling humorously.  "Each of you will be responsible for planting
the evidence to make one of these histories seem fairly credible."