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From: padraig@utastro.UUCP (Padraig Houlahan)
Newsgroups: net.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Holy Spirit, Trinity, angels and cosmology: ANSWER PART 2
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Date: Thu, 25-Sep-86 23:04:55 EDT
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Posted: Thu Sep 25 23:04:55 1986
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Keywords: Trinity, Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Substance
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In article <261@prometheus.UUCP>, pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes:
> >> ... 
> In article <1272@utastro.UUCP> padraig@utastro.UUCP (Padraig Houlahan) writes:
> >The criticism is still valid since the sciences physics and cosmology - 
> >in spite of your contrived hypotheses - do not recognize the existence of 
> >angels and souls, leaving this as an appropriate forum.
> >
> 
> Let's look at the "physical problem" and assume that the one
> space of "Divine substance" (no volume) is embedded in our grainy
> three space physical world.  

Let's not. I'm still waiting for a good reason to expect it to exist.

> 
> If this substance did exist there at all, it must exist there at
> all times because of its nature.  If it never existed there then
> it never existed and doesn't exist now, and there was no juice to
> generate the substance of two and then three dimensional space,
> and we don't exist.  Compared to the density of one space, we're 
> just a fleeting grainy few frames on a television boob tube, anyway.   

More assertions:
   - "juice "
   - three space came from two, and two from one...
   - infinite density of one space (implied)

> >     But since a line can be partitioned ad infinitum, your "logic" now
> >     allows for an infinite number of "entities".
> 
> Yes, a "line" can, in two and three space, but that is not the case in 
> one space.  

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any 1 dimensional space can be partitioned into sub spaces. 

> >   - Even if you don't like the previous objection you are not off the
> >     hook. There are an infinite number of n-spaces that can fit into
> >     an m-space if m > n (ignoring partions for the present). This still
> >     permits an infinite number of your infinite density entities to
> >     exist.
> 
> Well in mathematical space you can believe (construct) almost anything, 
> assume infinite information densities, continuity point wise, ..etc.  
> But in the REAL physical world there isn't an infinite amount of
> information, so, it must be that our space is somehow nested
> in one dimension rather than vice versa.    

More assertions? 
      -Finiteness of the "REAL physical world"'s information
      -Three dimensional space is  subset of a one dimensional space

I'm not going to spend any more time on this. You are not just covering
assertions with assertions but are also attempting "proof by repeated
assertion".

Padraig Houlahan.