Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!hplabs!sdcrdcf!ism780c!marty From: marty@ism780c.UUCP (Marty Smith) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Reply to Marty Smith Message-ID: <3667@ism780c.UUCP> Date: Thu, 25-Sep-86 16:33:23 EDT Article-I.D.: ism780c.3667 Posted: Thu Sep 25 16:33:23 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 30-Sep-86 00:37:26 EDT References: <5507@decwrl.DEC.COM> <3664@ism780c.UUCP> Reply-To: marty@ism780c.UUCP (Marty Smith) Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Santa Monica, CA Lines: 23 Xref: linus net.religion.christian:4770 talk.religion.misc:296 A point I indended to discuss in my last posting but forgot concerns Ken's use below of the term evil. >You try to say presuming the perogitives is 'getting closer to God'. Worship! >Rather it's foolishness. Dangerous and evil. Like jumping off the theological >garage roof with a hanky held by the ends. I've already said I do not presume the prerogatives of God when I curse, because it is impossible to presume the prerogatives of God. It is indeed foolishness to believe that I could. But it is not evil. Evil is that which causes suffering and which intends to cause that suffering. When I curse with "God damn it," I am at that moment in a state of suffering. I utter the curse to help relieve the suffering. Therefore it is not evil. It would be evil, if I did it to offend a fundamentalist for example, because the offense would cause the fundamentalist to suffer, and I would utter the curse for the purpose of causing that suffering. But fundamentalism itself causes suffering, in the form of the needless guilt some poor believers feel over the non-sins they have committed. The question is, is fundamentalism motivated to cause this guilt? If so, then it is evil. Marty Smith