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From: pmd@cbdkc1.UUCP (Paul M. Dubuc)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,net.religion.christian
Subject: Re: The Most Memorable Character I Never Met
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Date: Mon, 29-Sep-86 11:23:12 EDT
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In article <2592@watdcsu.UUCP> magore@watdcsu.UUCP (M.A.Gore - ICR) writes:
>
>>ago...)  Think of that...80% (thats 4+ BILLION PEOPLE) of the
>>world's population is condemned to hell (not forgetting the billions
>			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Where does the Bible state this (it doesn't - no not just the number)
>God said He is the God of the living *not* the dead. They haven't been
>judged *yet*. And will be judged by what they *know* - as to what
>*they* know (do you know all 4 + BILLION?) -read... You should not put 
>numbers to things like this because God said Judgment is mine 
>(God's of course). You assume he is BAD which isn't what the Bible states... 
>And you *think* you use the Bible to back you up!... How does the Bible 
>state that God will reveal Himself to Christians so they can ultimately 
>say there is truth in the Bible. If it were not for that -you could not 
>argue anything with 'it' -as a closed system devoid of history or of God...
>(circular....)
>
>	You seem not to know enough of the Bible to make sense of it.
> - does take work and you have to *want* too. God/Christ will make the rest
>clear once you repent and seek God....

A good point is made here, I think, and it points out a subtile tactic
of many debunkers:  They take all their evidence against God from the
Bible (assuming it for the sake of argument to be true) then reject
the Bible's theocentric claims about God's character using their own
(anthropocentric) moral standard.  Of course, God comes out guilty every
time.  God is accused of having a double standard by a double standard.
Where theism is concerned, God IS the standard and I think he does act
consistently within that, as it has been revealed.  It is certianly no
suprise that he often does not follow our temporal standards.  Anyway,
Christianity does make provision for everyone to take the issue up with
God personally at some point.
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Paul Dubuc	cbdkc1!pmd