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Subject: Re: A Fig for 'what's his name'.
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Date: Mon, 29-Sep-86 13:36:32 EDT
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> I am not a Christian, but I am willing to listen and discuss the Christian
> viewpoint at any time.  It is this kind of discussion which allows people
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> I am also amazed at people who post to the net without even bothering
> to substantiate their words.  Perhaps this is inevitable in a discussion
> on religious issues.  So many people have been taught religion since early
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> Not wanting to beat a subject into the ground, but it keeps coming up.
> Christian supporters keep quoting from the Bible and other Christian
> religious works as 'proof' of certain things.  I would hope that you will
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> 
> Jim Nusbaum
> 
> 
Jim, I should think you would realize by now that Christians define
themselves and their beliefs by what is written to them by God in
the scriptures (i.e. The Bible).  You  and others refer to this as 
circular reasoning, however when I, atleast refer to the Bible, I am
not trying to convince someone like yourself, but other Christians
who accept it as the Word of God.  Should I attempt to convince you
or someone else who is not a Christian of the truth of Christianity,
I would use an entirely different approach.  It is referred to as a
presuppositional argument.  If is best presented by a Christian
named Cornelius Van Till.  In essence, it shows that there are
really only two positions: the Christian one and the non-Christian
one.  Next, each position is presupposed as being the truth, and
tested as to its ability to explain reality.  

Gary McNees