Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!ucbcad!nike!lll-crg!rutgers!caip!clyde!cbatt!ukma!slg From: slg@ukma.uky.csnet (Sean Gilley) Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Christian logic (or lack) was Re: one more time Message-ID: <4817@ukma.uky.csnet> Date: Wed, 1-Oct-86 11:41:54 EDT Article-I.D.: ukma.4817 Posted: Wed Oct 1 11:41:54 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 3-Oct-86 07:47:04 EDT References: <2754@pogo.UUCP> <310@isieng.UUCP> Reply-To: slg@ukma.UUCP (Sean Gilley) Distribution: na Organization: U of Kentucky, Mathematical Sciences Lines: 77 >> is Dave Butler > is Kiki Herbst >Wrong again. The Bible says that man who does not "through any fault of their >own" find out who Jesus is will be judged on different terms. Romans 3:13 says >"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous, but those who live by >the law that are declared righteous." Man who does not know Jesus, the Bible >says in Romans, will not be judged by whether or not they had the opportunity >to hear about Jesus, they will be judged according to how they respond to God >in their lives. The Bible says that God has made himself evident in every >person's life and has written himself on their hearts and consciences. Oh. Then I don't have to accept Christ as savior, just do good works? (".. those who live by the law..."). I'm afraid many Christians would argue with that. >> When a christian asks me to join his/her religion, he/she usually gives >>me 3 reasons : >> 1. The bible (which is not verifiably more authentic than other >> religious texts from other religions). > >Have you researched that? Whether that person has or not, I have. There is little outside of the bible to support the things contained within. It is, in fact, rather hard to come up with authenticated accounts of happenings inside the bible from other sources. When you can, many sources are just as suspect as the bible because they are still religious writings. (As per the so called `gnostic' writings.) It's just as easy to authenticate what Bhudda did as to authenticate the existance of Jesus. >> 2. The miracles of Jesus which were witnessed by his followers.(Why >> should I accept the word of christian witnesses that I can't verify >> (ie: what's their names, where are their statements and where is their >> proof aside from the bible) over the word of more numerous witnesses >> to another god's miracle). >> >Which makes more sense? A god with a bunch of arms doing mystic actions or >the story of a man. Er.. the story of a man who claimed to be God. The story of a man who claimed to be God feeding 400 people with one or two fish. The story of a man who claimed to be God feeding 400 people with one or two fish and who came back from the dead. To be honest, they sound about equal in absurdity to me. >But *I* know that God exists. My life has been changed and it is the best >thing that has ever happened to me. Nothing more than that! You can make >your own decision. I don't even know who you are, how could I expect anything >of you? But, I am willing to tell anybody about the life that I have found >in Jesus. Why cover up something that has such tremendous impact on my life? >You can do whatever you want; I've got what I want! And how many people around are there who believed once as you do.. and then realized, or discovered, or found they were wrong. They exist. Many of them do actual research on Christianity to know what is was and is. To know how it came about. I am doing that research. I think I can safely say I'll never again be a christian. Sean. --- Sean L. Gilley Phone: (606) 272-9620 or (606) 257-8781 {ihnp4,decvax,ucbvax}!cbosgd!ukma{!ukgs}!slg, slg@UKMA.BITNET Well, I have seen a king and queen, a begger falling at my feet They all must see the same sad dreams at night Futility and senseless war, pit the rich against the poor For causes buried long before the fight