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From: kiki@isieng.UUCP (Kiki Herbst)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Christian logic (or lack) was Re: one more time
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Date: Mon, 6-Oct-86 13:02:20 EDT
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Posted: Mon Oct  6 13:02:20 1986
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In article <2773@pogo.UUCP> daveb@pogo.UUCP (Dave Butler) writes:
>Kiki, I'm glad you decided to let me have my faith. eg:
>
>> Then don't believe it!  You have your own mind and can make rational 
>> decisions. Believe in Krishna and his supernatural form, if you'd like.  
>> Follow the teachings of Siddhartha and reach a state of "nothingness" if 
>> that's what you think is right.  As a Christian, I don't expect you to 
>> believe anything. 
>> You can do whatever you want; I've got what I want!
> 
>    That's right Kiki, you and other Christians believe in you faith because 
>it makes you feel good, and I'll believe in my faith because it makes me
>feel good. But, neither you or any other has the right to demand that I
>accept *your* faith because it will make *you* feel better. You grudgingly
>agree to this, but many Christians don't.
>...{many comments about forced Christianity}
>    No Kiki, not all Christians are willing to allow us heathens to remain
>out of grace. They're even willing to be insulting and use mild extortion
>to force people to be saved. They consider it not only their right, but
>their duty to convert the rest of the world. In a way, I do appreciate
>your grudging allowance for me to have my own non-christian point of view,
>but it is the above stated Christian attitude that makes me bristle easily 
>when a Christian goes on a diatribe about the obvious silliness of other 
>religions.
>
>				Enjoyed this Immensely,
>				(Not meant sarcastically)
>
>				Dave Butler
>
>
>    Remember: Silly is a state of Mind, Stupid is a way of Life.


I can't resist always replying to your messages, I guess your "Enjoyed this
Immensely" causes me to want to continue the entertainment.  :-)

Now as for your comments.  I agree.  I can't stand being proselytized either,
in fact, I rebelled against it for so long that I probably would have become
a Christian a lot sooner if people hadn't hassled me.  But when I became
curious, I was glad there were people who were around who would answer my
questions.  That's how I see this net.  People are asking rational, intelligent
questions and others are providing answers.  The forum is intended to discuss
our believes, not to hide them.  As you said, you're not interested and don't
want to be forced in someone else's faith.  Then why even deal with this 
network? What's your aim?  To find out what people think?  To talk people out of
their beliefs?  If it wasn't faith we were discussing, how would you feel about
using comparison/contrast and opinion statements in debate?


Kiki