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From: kiki@isieng.UUCP (Kiki Herbst)
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Subject: Re: Christian logic (or lack) was: Re: One more time
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Date: Mon, 6-Oct-86 12:48:19 EDT
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>    I guess I'd like to know your answers to just 2 of the questions 
>I've asked:
>	1: What is your reference that Jesus is the most artistically
>portrayed person in history (remember, if you're going to complain about
>references, yours better be superior to mine). 

I never complained in the first place!  In fact my original statemnt was the 
Jesus was probably the most remembered figure.  Whether he is or isn't the
most important is not the point.  The whole purpose for the original statement
which I will repeat for the third time is this:  It doesn't matter how many
people believe in something because sheer numbers don't make it truth.  Large
numbers, though, cause you to think about something twice whether it is Jesus
(like I mentioned) or Buddha or Lenin (like you mentioned).  Now I hope you
don't feel like you have to write to Trivial Pursuit to get the basis for
their statement.  

>	2: What is this "The Law" that everyone ignorant of Jesus will be 
>judged by after they die(I'll want a reference for this too).

This is what it says in Romans 2:14:  "Indeed when Gentiles, who *do not have
the law*, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for 
themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that
the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also
bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them."
In the Old Testament Moses was given the law, the 10 commandments (Luke 24:44).
Man who didn't know, read, or hear this law still has an inherent god-given
knowledge of what is right or wrong, it is "written on their hearts."
Later in Romans 8: 3 the Bible says "For what the law was powerless to do
in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own
Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering."  Romans also explains
that the Holy Spirit gives helps us to live under the law which is a sinless
(Rom. 7:8) and holy (Romans 7:12) life.

So to summarize, everybody has a good concept of what is right and wrong.  Our
problem is resisting the wrongs.  No man is completely sinless, but Jesus can
give righteousness.  If someone doesn't know Jesus through no fault of his own,
God judges him in a different way: by how that individual responds to God's
inner stirrings in his heart.  For most of us, those inner stirrings are to
investigate the claims of Jesus because we can readily find out whether
they are true.  For someone like tribesman in Africa, where a Bible and Jesus
is unheard of, God will relate to them differently.  I'm not God, so I don't
know exactly how he does that.

>
>				Curiously Yours,
>
>				Dave Butler
>
>
>    Its more important to know what is correct, rather than who is correct.
>    Remember: Silly is a state of Mind, Stupid is a way of Life.


Kiki