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From: cc@locus.ucla.edu (Oleg "Kill the bastards" Kiselev)
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Subject: Re: Sexual Attitudes (questions about Stuart Gathmans article)
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Date: Tue, 30-Sep-86 01:37:48 EDT
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In article <2208@garfield.UUCP> johnf@garfield.UUCP (John Field) writes:
>Now where in the New Testament does Jesus say one must castrate oneself? Could
>you at least give me a few chapters and verses to work with?

A while back (4-6 month) there was a discussion about this in the old 
net.religion and chapters and verses were referenced. I can't recall the exact
places, but most quotes came from the writings of Paul and Revelations. Paul
was the one who advocated castration (Aren't metaphores FUN?!) and preached 
celibacy. Just look at the system of monasteries and convents Catholics have
raised in their time, at the sects like The Shakers in US, Scoptzi in Russia,
Albigensians in France (before they got wiped out), etc. 

The ideas of life-long celibacy and castration are not aat all foreign to 
Xtianity, as the numerous examples show. 

If you REALLY want the references and are not willing to go through archives,
ask for them in e-mail and I will try to find and mail (or post) them.

					Oleg Kiselev
					HASA, "A" Division.

>And as for the watching of naked bodies and the like, Jesus Himself said that
>nothing that goes into a man from the outside can make him unclean; only that
>which is in his heart can do so. (Sorry I can't give chapter and verse right
>now, but I don't usually tote a Bible with me wherever I go, pious as I am
>0|-).
>
>I'd leave an e-mail address (if I knew what it was). Is it the same as ean or
>not? 
>
>						Qvid, me anxiovs svm?
>						John.
>Waiver : These views are personal and in no way reflect the 
>         views of this university.