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From: kiki@isieng.UUCP
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Best for Others?
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Date: Thu, 2-Oct-86 17:10:12 EDT
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In article <51@oliveb.UUCP> trash@oliveb.UUCP (Tom Repa) writes:
>
>n.b. > = Kiki Herbst
>     >>= Tom Albrecht
>
>>>>The unique contribution of the Christian gospel is that it makes us a
>>>>people who are more interested in your rights than in my rights.  We should
>>>>all be as the Samaritan who was willing to risk life and property for the
>>>>sake of another.
>>>>Tom Albrecht
>
>>When one becomes a Christian many changes occur in his or her life.  
>>The biggest change is that God becomes the center of the person's life 
>>rather than self being the center.   ...
>>Kiki
>	Pardon me if I like my afterlife in a different flavor.
>
>"Wanting the _best_ for others"??? Who decides what is best? Me? You?
>Your God? My Gods? Your *interpratations* of what your God wants?
>My *interpratation* of what my Gods want?   Who decides?

>Does "wanting the best for others" mean forcing  your opinions of what 
>is best  for them on them?  If it does how do you know if what you're  
>forcing on them is really the best? 

I missed the first part of this discussion, so I was just commenting on
what Tom had written.  As for forcing opinions, though, you are right,
I don't know what's right for everyone, so I wouldn't try to force my
opinions on anybody.  But I am concerned with the way I live *my* life.
I know that God has a better mind then I do, so I rely on him for insight.
If someone also believes in God and relies on that same insight, I feel
very open to accepting advice from that person.  The thing about having
God decide is that God is Truth.  That's what he said through his son
Jesus.  (You can accept or reject that, that's your business.)  I believe
he is truth, so basing decisions on him won't cause the decision to vary
depending on the people involved, depending on the circumstatnce, depending
on interpretations and everything else you said.  God doesn't change.
>
>	The answer is, of course, you don't. No one can. Except of 
>course your God and a host of my Gods. But my Gods aren't telling
>and I don't trust your God. Which is why I think you should be 
>concerned with your life and leave mine alone. Each of us are 
>personally responsible for doing the best we can in this life and
>no one else can live our life for us. So each of us must determine 
>what is best for ourselves. If you would like to inform me, go 
>ahead, but please don't try to legislate it. 

Just information :-).  I would be the last person to legislate because I
hate being legislated to!  I agree with what you said.  Let me ask you,
how do you determine "what is best for ourselves", how do you determine
truth or what is right?

>	Your idea of heaven sounds to me a lot like the one
>Robert Heinlein wrote of in "JOB: A comedy of Justice". 
>If you haven't read it, try it.  

What do you think my concept of heaven is?  I know what the Bible says about
heaven and it sounds like a great place to me!

>			Tom Repa (trash@oliven)
>	

Kiki