Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!cartan!ucbcad!nike!think!rutgers!caip!clyde!cbatt!ihnp4!inuxc!inuxe!braune From: braune@inuxe.UUCP (S Braune) Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Why believe in religion? Message-ID: <890@inuxe.UUCP> Date: Wed, 15-Oct-86 08:55:07 EDT Article-I.D.: inuxe.890 Posted: Wed Oct 15 08:55:07 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 16-Oct-86 21:42:42 EDT Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Consumer Products, Indianapolis Lines: 131 In article <3726@umcp-cs.UUCP> mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) writes: *In article <1174@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: * *[In response to Mike Andrews's remarks on religion as a tool] *>Having a tool doesn't guarantee that the tool is good for the claimed use. *>By your analogy, every religion is a tool. And I strongly doubt that you *>would conceed the others are all good for their claimed uses. * *This is true, but I hardly see it as weakening the argument. Indeed, it *reinforces the point that the nature of religious belief is not necessarily *arbitrary. In response to the above discussion, I'd like to propose a fairly "neutral language" and non-exclusive definition of religion. I'm interested in concerns, efforts, and experiences that lead people, who have widely varying philosophies and opinions, down religious pathways. And while i think that a definition emphasizing the tool-like nature of religion has implications for many topics of discussion, in this posting i'm just presenting the definition with some explanation. Anyway, here's the definition: religion - a practice-based, involving approach to living directed at resolving deeply felt, negatively perceived human conditions. And here's the explanation: Through the course of living, a person may discover within him/herself the existence of a deeply felt, gut-level condition that is experienced as a pervasive source of negative influence in life's situations. (An analogy here might be that the person discovers a disease within.) As awareness of this condition increases (through its persistence, perhaps), the desire to resolve the condition increases. The pervasiveness of the condition may cause this desire for resolution to become the ultimate concern for that person - all other concerns may be seen to be side-effects of this one, and the person may feel that their very life somehow hinges on this needed resolution. Since the effects of the condition seem to invade all or a great part of living in some way, the person develops the feeling of personal responsibility for the condition's existence - the tendency to blame specific people and situations diminishes. Descriptions may eventually be attached to the condition. Depending upon the person's background, environment, previous choices, etc. words such as sinfulness, suffering, dissatisfaction, confusion, out-of-tune-ness, etc. may be used. Purely due to speculation or because the person may have experienced a taste of what living without the condition is like ("what could be"; a new and desired state; an experience of health in the analogy), the condition may be represented by the person as being a kind of separation from this ideal state. Again, depending upon influences, phrases such as separation from God (i.e. sinfulness), separation from peace (i.e. suffering), separation from understanding (i.e. confusion), etc., may be used. The condition may now contain a strong element of questioning (in fact, the element of questioning may have always been there). Expressed in words, the question may take the form, "How can I end this separation!?", where the desired experience of the resolution of the condition contains (is) the "answer". The words used to describe the condition may (will) indicate an alignment (whether understood by the "questioner" or not) to the models and philosophies of some existing world view or religious system or combination of systems. This alignment may create an attraction to the corresponding system. The experience may be one of a kind of "calling", "destiny", or "drawing-toward", or more simply as a strong interest in a particular practice, style, or system for living. Some aligned questions include "How can I know God?", "Who am I?", "What is Truth?", etc. A system of practices (including principles, methods, and thought-models) that "directs" (the right word is system dependent here) the person toward resolving this deeply felt condition (and therefore helps to answer the question) is - if we accept this definition - a religion. The alignment of the questioner's feelings and concepts about the condition and desired state to those that are described or somehow demonstrated by a religious system (through its philosophies, its supporters and their actions, its institutions, etc.) may provide the momentum to the questioner to accept some or all or the courses of action described by the system. Such a step by the questioner may require a great deal of faith (in the system's condition-resolving power, at least) and trust (that the system's designers and supporters are sincere and have made progress in resolving the same or similar conditions). At some point, choice (to adopt the system, in part or whole) and commitment (to its practices) may be necessary. Certainly, action and involvement of some kind (including purposeful non-action) will be necessary. A summary of the way of involvement for some people, then, is as follows: 1) recognition of a deeply felt, negatively perceived condition 2) strong desire to resolve condition 3) alignment to practice-based system 4) probably some combination of faith, trust, choice, and commitment 5) action 6) action 7) action . . . The elements described above may overlap quite a bit. For example, the alignment may be coincident with the perception of the condition. In fact, practice systems themselves may attempt to provide or increase awareness of these conditions. Also, the alignment may occur very slowly, or it may take place very suddenly, as with a peak experience of some kind that immediately immerses the person into a particular thought-model. During the process of resolution that takes place with participation in the system, a host of new conditions may evolve that require resolution. The process may be experienced as one of growth, with many stages of condition/resolution. As resolutions are experienced, new possibilities/potentialities are opened up. Depending upon the depth of awareness of the condition(s), a resolution may be experienced as a transformation/reorientation (again, this may occur suddenly or slowly - probably produces a peak experience if happening quickly). Now, again, the definition: religion - a practice-based, involving approach to living directed at resolving deeply felt, negatively perceived human conditions. The definition opens up the possibility for referring to typically non-religious systems as religions. But note that the "religious" system must work in some sense ("...directed at resolving...") to fit the definition. And also note that within the context of a particular religious system, the notions of practices, thought-models, etc. may actually be a hindrance to growth and may not be considered valid. If the definition has any use at all, it's probably as a conceptual starting point for the personal choice of some religious system.