Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!buffalo.CSNET!colonel From: colonel@buffalo.CSNET ("Col. G. L. Sicherman") Newsgroups: mod.ai Subject: Re: Consciousness as bureaucracy Message-ID: <8610060617.AA12861@ucbvax> Date: Mon, 29-Sep-86 09:34:01 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8610060617.AA12861 Posted: Mon Sep 29 09:34:01 1986 Date-Received: Mon, 6-Oct-86 06:15:04 EDT References: <12241790568.26.LAWS@SRI-STRIPE.ARPA> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 15 Approved: ailist@sri-stripe.arpa Ken Laws's analogy between Bureaucracy and Man--more precisely, Man's Mind--has been anticipated by Marvin Minsky. I do not have the reference; I think it was a rather broad article in a general science journal. As I recall, the theory that Minsky proposed lay somewhere between the lay concept of self and the Zen concept. It seemed to suggest that consciousness is an illusion to itself, but a genuine and observable phenomenon to an outside observer, characterizable with the metaphor of bureaucracy. Perhaps some Ailist reader can identify the article. Emergent consciousness has always been a hope of A.I. I side with those who suggest that consciousness depends on contact with the world ... even though I know some professors who seem to be counter-examples! :-)