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From: jeff@necntc.NEC.COM (Jeff Janock)
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Subject: Re: DEC licence policy
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Date: Fri, 24-Oct-86 14:55:48 EDT
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In article <8610240539.AA15262@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> XLINTITZ@DDATHD21.BITNET (Otto Titze, Kernphysik THD) writes:
>Subject: DEC's future licence policy
>
>I found the attached letter in one of my mailboxes and it
>really alarmed me. As an old DECUS member one cannot be very
>enthusiastic about all this changes in DEC policies one could
>observe in the recent past.
>
>Does anybody know more about this matter or about reactions
>in the DEC US Users community about these kind of DEC plans?
>
>Otto Titze
>Kernphysik THD, Darmstadt, Germany
>(DEC user for more than 15 years and active DECUS member)

We have just finished getting hasseled by DEC on many of the points
covered in the artilce I am following up to.

I would like to relate our experience with DEC regarding the new
licence policy.

Purchased in March and arrived in September, ONE new VAX 8300.
This machine is to replace an existing (barely) VAX 11/730.

Well, obviously, this is a good deal MIP wise; but dealing with
DEC and the logistics involved to transfer all software to the
new machine was insane.  To make this short, (if anyone is interested
in the entire saga, send me e-mail...) this is how the transfers
took place:

products involved:
VMS, Fortran, Pascal, C, LISP, DECnet, PSI  -

All licences were transfered to the new machine using this formula:

Current cost of licence for the new target machine
(discounted at your current discount rate if elegible)

- [MINUS]

Current cost of licence for the old machine 
(discounted at your current discount rate if elegible)

= [EQUALS] NEW COST FOR LICENCE TRANSFER!!

in our case of going up to a larger VAX (and who wants to downgrade?),
this worked out fairly well, except for PSI.  We paid several times
the current price for the original licence but the above formula
held fast.

My local sales rep was in a tizzy over this one 'cause he could not
find anyone to commit to the policy with several weeks.  I do not 
have the persons name in DEC responsible for setting this up, but
I am aware that this will be a problem for DEC in the time to come.

Regards,
-- 

Jeff Janock
NEC Electronics Inc.
One Natick Executive Park
Natick, Massachusetts 01760
+1 617 655 8833

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