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Date: Tue, 30-Sep-86 21:44:05 EDT
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    [ Are soldiers, policemen and firemen then fools for taking money
    for doing something that can get them killed?

  Not with the certainty of a duel (50-50).  And to a good cause.

    ... On the subject of group duels, I think we'd see streetgangs
    doing this on a regular basis...

  What if they do?  So long as every member gives informed consent.

    If integration laws are as unecessary as you say, why do black
    leaders fight so hard to keep them on the books and enact more
    powerful versions of them? - CWM]

  I never said that most black leaders were libertarian.  They want to
take the easy way out.  Like almost everyone, they think: "If FOO is
obviously wrong (at least to me) it ought to be illegal.  I have as
much right as anyone to camgaign and demonstrate for such laws."  My
point was not to claim that most blacks support libertarianism, but to
point out that the current non-discriminatory environment is a product
of changed individual attitudes.  The laws came AFTER, and never
really had much effect.  If the attitudes had NOT changed, the laws
would NOT have been legislated, and would have been as ignored as the
55 mph speed limit if they somehow had been.
                                                              ...Keith


[ I presume the nearby buildings and people in those buildings will
have given their consent too, eh?  Wouldn't this sort of thing favor
the side with the biggest battalions?  The smaller streetgangs would
be forced to accept duels (and be anhilliated) or lose the dispute
that brought about the duel.  The larger the streetgang, the more
difficult it is to live near them.  Is this something we want?

    Further, many streetgangs are made up of minors.  Are they allowed
by 'informed consent' to join in?  During a discussion on drugs, you
implied they would not, since they are not adults.  What do we do
about that?  If they want to fight, how do we stop them (saying "we
don't stop them now" is not an answer).

   Concerning the 'attitude change' of people, I would not agree that
the laws haven't had much effect.  It was the force of law that was
the tipping of the balance in some of the more celebrated
desegregation cases. - CWM]
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