Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!cbrma.UUCP!karl From: karl@cbrma.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: Re: The Second Amendment Message-ID: <12246011437.68.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Sat, 11-Oct-86 15:49:56 EDT Article-I.D.: RED.12246011437.68.MCGREW Posted: Sat Oct 11 15:49:56 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Oct-86 18:28:44 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: seismo!cbosgd!cbrma!karl@caip.rutgers.edu Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 43 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu >I have one question: Is it accurate >for me to believe that ownership of arms at the time of ratification >was self-limiting, in the sense that reliable rifles were >sufficiently expensive that only a small fraction of the populace >could afford them? No. The Minutemen didn't exist in someone's imagination. If you'll pick up any garden-variety encyclopedia (I've got an Encyclopedia Americana handy), you'll read that the Minutemen were that body of men who were supposed to be able to be called to assemblage under arms at a minute's notice. The arms under which they were required to assemble were their own, not the property of any governmental body. Any number of other sources will point out equally well that individual arms ownership was positively commonplace. This weird idea that private arms ownership is something new is not historically correct. >I refer, of course, to the white property-owning males who were >the only ones allowed to vote under the original Constitution. If >this is true, It's not. >then clearly the circumstances under which the Second >Amendment were adopted were quite different than now, when weapons of >frightnening destructive capability are available to persons with >relatively modest means. You have underestimated the "destructive capability" of a bomb made with black powder, a substance readily available to anyone requiring it at the time of the Constitution's ratification. Cheap, too, by the economic standards of either period. Not to mention the destructive capability of a bottle of gasoline, a Molotov cocktail, or modern nitrate-based fertilizers when mixed with modern diesel fuels. All easy, all cheap, all readily available to any Joe Random that wants it. The circumstances in this regard are not markedly different. -- Karl Kleinpaste -------