Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!XX.LCS.MIT.EDU!ROMKEY From: ROMKEY@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (John Romkey) Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: SMTP, 2600, and the security of mail Message-ID: <12243230777.46.ROMKEY@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 1-Oct-86 01:15:19 EDT Article-I.D.: XX.12243230777.46.ROMKEY Posted: Wed Oct 1 01:15:19 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 3-Oct-86 06:58:08 EDT References: <12242892621.30.GROSSMAN@Sierra.Stanford.EDU> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 19 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa The whole idea of "privileged" sockets loses. There are lots of machines out there on the network right now which don't even have the concept of privileges in their operating system: IBM PC's. There's really very little you can do to stop someone with network code on an IBM PC from sending whatever they want, from whatever socket they choose, even whatever IP ADDRESS they wish to appear as, to the net. (of course, if they choose a sufficiently off-the-wall IP address then no packets will ever make it back to them) If you object to the idea of IBM PC's, then just think about all those single user Unix work stations that are appearing nowadays around the Internet. You can't really depend on their "owners" (most of whom probably know the root passwords) being trustworthy. I think we might be better off if no one would even suggest that privileged sockets have any role to play in the security of today's Internet. They only really provide a very thin illusion of security. - john romkey -------