Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!topaz!christian From: bourland@unc.UUCP (Daniel Bourland) Newsgroups: mod.religion.christian Subject: Re: God Helps Those Who Help Themselves Message-ID: <6445@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Thu, 23-Oct-86 02:20:33 EDT Article-I.D.: topaz.6445 Posted: Thu Oct 23 02:20:33 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 23-Oct-86 07:23:35 EDT References: <705@cal-asd.fluke.UUCP> Sender: hedrick@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU Organization: CS Dept, U. of N. Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 15 Keywords: Not Scripture Approved: christian@topaz.UUCP Fortunately, this phrase is not scripture and thus, we (Christians) are not "bound" to it. The problem with this little phrase is that grace is eliminated from the picture - that is, if we do something, God will reward us. That's called conditional love. Christ died for us, regardless of anything we could be or do - His death was not by our merit, but by God's grace. His death for us is act of grace. Now, it may be that this phrase is used out of context (I have heard it ascribed to Winston Churchill), because there are some Christians who are spiritually well-fed, but refuse to act on their knowledge and/in faith (the Corinthians are an example). I can see God in a sense "waiting" for these people (I am one of them occassionally) to respond, however, it is only by His grace that any response is possible. To believe that we must first create within ourselves the motivation to act, then God will help us, is not the will of our loving God. The bottom line is grace without merit.