Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!caip!rutgers!husc6!seismo!brl-adm!brl-smoke!abc From: abc@brl-smoke.ARPA (Brint Cooper ) Newsgroups: soc.college,net.cse Subject: Re: Who teaches CS classes? Message-ID: <4789@brl-smoke.ARPA> Date: Tue, 21-Oct-86 20:05:44 EDT Article-I.D.: brl-smok.4789 Posted: Tue Oct 21 20:05:44 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 22-Oct-86 05:45:19 EDT References: <922@Shasta.STANFORD.EDU> <424@uwai.UUCP> Reply-To: abc@brl.arpa (Brint Cooper (SECAD/CSMB) ) Distribution: net Organization: Ballistic Research Lab (BRL), APG, MD. Lines: 42 Keywords: TAs, professors, teaches Xref: watmath soc.college:88 net.cse:1002 In article <424@uwai.UUCP> honavar@ai.WISC.EDU (Humanoid #1vgh1) writes: >In article <922@Shasta.STANFORD.EDU> andy@Shasta.STANFORD.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >>Who actually teaches CS classes at other schools? How are >>graduate students supported? > Often, there are not enough professors to teach > introductory CS courses and TAs have to fill the void. The > question of fairness is irrelevant so long as graduate students > are not forced to teach against their will and students are not > taught by incompetent TAs. > There are some serious questions here. When the choice for a grad student is "teach or pay your own way" it is arguable whether the student is teaching for or against his/her own will. The second serious question is the competence of the TA. Surely knowing how to write Pascal programs doesn't make a TA competent to teach programming to freshmen or any other classes. Further, the TA is a transient member of the academic community and is less likely to have to live with the results of his/her poor or inexperienced than is a permanent faculty member. Also, TAs tend to be the more junior grad students. Those with more longevity have often gotten themselves into faculty research projects which support their tuition and stipends. Finally, the discussion of TA competence must include language skills. More junior TAs, newly arrived in the United States often speak English so poorly that they can barely communicate difficult concepts to anxious undergraduates. Passing the "Test of Written English" doesn't quite cut it. I'm not saying that every prof is a better, more articulate, more caring teacher than every TA. But certainly, those undergraduates who study at institutions where the faculty teach are, in the main, better off than those with a battalion of TAs teaching the "hordes." -- Brint Cooper ARPA: abc@brl.arpa UUCP: ...{seismo,unc,decvax,cbosgd}!brl-smoke!abc