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From: guido@mcvax.uucp (Guido van Rossum)
Newsgroups: net.micro.mac
Subject: Re: VI features, Editors, etc...
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Date: Tue, 14-Oct-86 17:25:39 EDT
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Matt Dillon:
>Mouse-based 'user friendly' editors are all an well, but completely useless
>once you get experienced.  At the outset, the 'user friendly' mouse-based
>editor is easier to learn, but you get to a point where you simply cannot
>go any further (you know everything there is to know, you are typing/
>moving the mouse as fast as you can), and when you get to this point, the 
>VI user has the advantage because HIS limits are quite a bit higher than
>yours, and thus he can get things done faster.
>
>Not only that, but user-friendly editors have virtually NO programmability.
>Programmability implies things that you cannot do with a menu-driven editor.

Oh yeah?  Wait till mouse-based editors have been around as long and
hacked as much as VI...  Are we just discussing the merits of existing
editors or also the potential of different paradigms?  Why would it be
impossible to add complete mouse support and standard cut/paste to an
Emacs-like editor?

	...Guido