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Subject: Re: Poor People/Lazy People
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Date: Thu, 16-Oct-86 10:27:11 EDT
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Posted: Thu Oct 16 10:27:11 1986
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> > *My* ethical system that demands "this obligation"?  You say this as if
> > it had to be some bizarre cultist dogma.  I'm a Jew, and my religion
> > specifies 613 obligations in some detail...
> > 
> > ken perlow       *****   *****
> 
> 1. You are attempting impose your moral and religous code on everyone
> else.  How would you like it if the majority religious belief system was
> imposed on you?  (There is historical precedent, alas.)
> 
> 2. By your own admission, "I do not even try to fulfill most of these 
> obligations" yet you are quite willing to require everyone else to obey
> SOME of the obligations you feel compelled to obey.  Can you say "Hypocrite?"
> But of course, you believe in the welfare state -- you don't have to be
> intellectually honest.
> 
> Clayton E. Cramer

Oh, poppycock, Clayton.  I was responding to a question about where my
own personal beliefs came from.  I never maintained that it was a system
anybody else should follow.  Indeed, Judaism finds proselytizing offensive.
But the point, guy, is that if a person has any morals at all--deontological,
utilitarian, whatever--no matter how you cut it, selfishness comes out at
best amoral.  And so, your vacuous, pointy-headed accusations of "hypocrisy"
and "welfare-statism" are just self-righteous attempts to bait me.  They
worked, though.

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