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From: cetron@utah-cs.UUCP (Edward J Cetron)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: NDE's reply to Bruce Lowerre
Message-ID: <3988@utah-cs.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 1-Nov-86 16:06:06 EST
Article-I.D.: utah-cs.3988
Posted: Sat Nov  1 16:06:06 1986
Date-Received: Mon, 3-Nov-86 23:29:35 EST
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Reply-To: cetron@utah-cs.UUCP (Edward J Cetron)
Organization: Center for Engineering Design, Univ of Utah
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Keywords: scientific evidence

In article <1366@utastro.UUCP> anand@utastro.UUCP (Anand Sivaramakrishnan) writes:
>
>> How do you know it's silver and not gold, platinum, iron, or sodium?
>> Why the 3rd chackra?  Couldn't it be one of the other 12?
> 
>In reply... it is easy to tell that it must be silver because of the sudden
>reversal of the biomagnetic field when the cord is cut. The silver cord is
>the only one that is wound in such a fashion as to generate an external,
>measurable field.
>
>> How does one test for the cord?  It would be boon to modern medicine to
>> detect the presence of the "silver cord" rather than depending on
>> electrocardiagrams to determine absolute death.
>
>Actually, with sensitive enough instruments (liquid helium cooled, to cut
>down noise) one can detect the same information in the biomagnetic field as
>is present in an electrocardiogram. But one must solve the inverse scattering
>problem in order to decrypt the data. One of the secrets of
>the mystery of existence (known to only a few select swamis) is that most
>fundamental phenomena in the known Universe are understandable only
>in terms of either Maxwell's equations or plumbing (and, at high enough
>temperatures, both, as in the case of astrophysical plasmas).

	Ok, I'll bite.....should this have had :-)'s???????

I've spent 8 years working in Biomedical Engineering - I've got a BS in
Chemistry (with emphasis on instrumentation systems), MS in Bioengineering
and am 2 months from a PhD in Bioengineering (not to mention the hands on
works as a CPR instructor trainer, Adv. First Aid instructor, EMT instructor
...ad nauseum...) - any way IF there IS a 'biomagnetic field' (which I will
not argue one way or another) there will be a LOT  more noise from EMG's and
EKG's than from background magnetic fields.....Last I was aware, mag field
sensors weren't really so great around very very small field strengths (and 
given the large number of currents in the body -> large numbers of small
fields, I doubt the field strength EXCEPT AS A LUMPED PARAMETER would even
be measurable....)

And while my interpretations of Murphy's laws:

	1. Mother Nature is a bitch
	2. Life is a bitch, and then you die
	3. Any experiment designed to understand anything will invariably be
		as if flushed down a toilet  (not the plumbing reference)

I simply can't agree that Maxwell's laws and plumbing alone will solve all
the mysteries of the universe......

-ed cetron
Center for Biomedical Design
Univ of Utah......