Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!sundc!hadron!jsdy From: jsdy@hadron.UUCP (Joseph S. D. Yao) Newsgroups: sci.med Subject: Re: tone deafness? Message-ID: <610@hadron.UUCP> Date: Wed, 12-Nov-86 09:01:03 EST Article-I.D.: hadron.610 Posted: Wed Nov 12 09:01:03 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 12-Nov-86 20:21:42 EST References: <2376@bu-cs.bu-cs.BU.EDU> <3808@columbia.UUCP> <210@mind.UUCP> <3817@columbia.UUCP> <212@mind.UUCP> Reply-To: jsdy@hadron.UUCP (Joseph S. D. Yao) Distribution: net Organization: Hadron, Inc., Fairfax, VA Lines: 32 Summary: Largely anecdotal In physics class in high school, my teacher asked if any of us knew what tone was being produced in his demonstration of wave phenomena. I thought, "why not?" and came up with the correct answer ... just as he said, "good, i hate people with perfect pitch." ... I explained later that I hadn't used perfect pitch, but rather counted up from middle-C (a technique harnad mentions in passing in a later article). I was told that most people with perfect pitch do in fact use this technique, either consciously or unconsciously. One frequency is well-remembered, which is easier than memorizing all (perfectly-tempered) notes; and then octaves can be easily generated and any other notes counted. This appears to be a learned trait. My sister, however, memorized my answering-machine tone by hearing me whistle it (!@#$); and my mother recognized it as a fractional tone (not a pure natural, sharp, or flat). Perhaps there is also an inherited factor. This is all speculation, though. The jnd is much smaller in the presence of a reference tone. When I tune my instruments by myself, I get pretty close; but when I tune (by ear) against other instruments simultaneously, I can get almost perfect equality of tone. Better than other people, sometimes. (Actually, I tune by trying to phase out the "beat" frequency; but I can tell the direction and the approximate amplitude of the difference, when others can't.) Harnad's book sounds interesting; but I wish he would post title and projected publication info. That's not advertising, that's giving a reference [;-)]. -- Joe Yao hadron!jsdy@seismo.{CSS.GOV,ARPA,UUCP} jsdy@hadron.COM (not yet domainised)