Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!nike!ucbcad!ucbvax!cbatt!ihnp4!ihlpa!lew From: lew@ihlpa.UUCP (Lew Mammel, Jr.) Newsgroups: sci.misc Subject: Still skeptical of glass as fluid Message-ID: <2215@ihlpa.UUCP> Date: Wed, 5-Nov-86 14:05:23 EST Article-I.D.: ihlpa.2215 Posted: Wed Nov 5 14:05:23 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 7-Nov-86 09:37:21 EST Distribution: net Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 14 There have been a number of anecdotal reports of sagging glass windows. It occurred to me that large telescopes would make a good test case for this purported phenomenon. The Mount Palomar mirror is old, massive and its shape is subject to exacting scrutiny. If a window can develop a "noticable" shape change in a few decades, I should think the same phenomenon would be well observed at Mount Palomar. If noticable means 1 mm, then the Hale telescope (It's at Mount Palomar, right ?) is sensitive to changes one ten thousandth as great. So if it sagged 1 mm in 50 years, the optical quality would be affected in a few days. I know that its elastic response to gravity induced stress has to be dealt with, so what about its inelastic response? Lew Mammel, Jr.