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From: prs@oliveb.UUCP
Newsgroups: sci.physics
Subject: Re: Mind Reading
Message-ID: <146@oliveb.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 19-Oct-86 10:10:56 EDT
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Posted: Sun Oct 19 10:10:56 1986
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Reply-To: prs@oliven.UUCP (Philip Stephens)
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino, Ca
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Thanks again for keeping the discussion alive.  Opponents do more to keep
this discussion on net.physics/sci.physics than proponents do.  Would have
quickly died out w/o your loyal support: thank you, thank you, thank you.

In article <447@husc6.HARVARD.EDU> greg@endor.UUCP (Greg) writes:
>An idea that cannot be evaluated (such as Mitsu's claims of mind-reading) is
>neither true nor false, neither real nor unreal.  It is a non-statement about
>reality.  It adds nothing to an understanding of nature.
>
>"This isn't true; it isn't even false!" - Wolfgang Pauli
>gregregreg

Nonsense.  Because he did not propose specific particles or equations he is
being imprecise?  Hardly.  He was answering some good and bad points others
had made, and doing rather well at it.  Your point undoubtedly fits some
argument, somewhere, sometime (maybe even some particular sentence or 
paragraph of some posting of mine!); but it does not fit Mitsu's posting
that you are criticisizing.  Before one gets to the point of proposing a
specific experiment, one discusses hypothesis, wild theories, hunches,
counter proposals, past experience, and in some fields one even discusses
--gasp-- folklore.  Particularly in psi, one has to sift through a lot of
static and contradictory nomenclature to even decide what one is looking
for.  But one is told not to even think about it unless one can prove it
is worthwhile w/o first going through that phase.  Harumph.

This probably does belong in mod.psi, but I haven't seen it in months.
Someone just posted a btw that mod.psi is "up again" after several weeks.
Weeks?  Maybe it isn't getting forwarded to oliveb.  If anyone HAS gotten
new mod.psi articles in the past 6 months, please E-mail a short note to me, 
and I'll try to piece together from the paths they take to me what is 
happening (if no response, I'll unscientificly assume it doesn't reach anyone).

Meanwhile, friendly pen-pals are welcome!  I have a few modest theories of
my own, some experiences to share, and I 'collect' bizzare world-views...
for their novelty, and their utility in temporarily considering a radically
different approach to what one normally takes for granted.

	- Phil		prs@oliveb.UUCP (Phil Stephens)     {really oliven}
	or, if that fails:	{get to 'nike' somehow, then}!oliveb!prs 

Leaving the net temporarily about Oct 21; back in maybe early-mid November.
Will try to catch up on mail and news when I get back.