Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!rutgers!brl-adm!brl-smoke!gwyn From: gwyn@brl-smoke.ARPA (Doug Gwyn ) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: A Question Message-ID: <5025@brl-smoke.ARPA> Date: Wed, 29-Oct-86 20:31:40 EST Article-I.D.: brl-smok.5025 Posted: Wed Oct 29 20:31:40 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 30-Oct-86 07:26:59 EST References: <230@sri-arpa.ARPA> <572@epimass.UUCP> <2182@ecsvax.UUCP> <8597@sun.uucp> <1388@trwrb.UUCP> Reply-To: gwyn@brl.arpa (Doug Gwyn (VLD/VMB) ) Organization: Ballistic Research Lab (BRL), APG, MD. Lines: 69 In article <1388@trwrb.UUCP> galins@trwrb.UUCP (Joseph E. Galins) writes: >In other words, with a constant acceleration eventually you would be going >at a speed of 'c' with no more acceleration therefore losing the 'gravity' >feeling. No, acceleration at a constant rate "forever" will never exceed the speed of light (measured with respect to the "stationary" reference frame from which you started). (For simplicity let's keep the discussion at the special-relativistic level and leave cosmology out of it.) Using primes (') for the accelerating object and no-primes-attached for the stationary reference frame: dv' = a' * dt' for acceleration a' felt by object Beta(t'+dt') = Beta(t') VADD dv'/c where Beta is the velocity of the traveler measured in the stationary frame divided by c, and VADD is relativistic velocity-combination Beta[A wrt C] = Beta[A wrt B] VADD Beta[B wrt C] = (Beta[A wrt B] + Beta[B wrt C]) / (1 + Beta[A wrt B] * Beta[B wrt C]) One also needs to take into account the relationship between time measures between the two frames ("time dilation") dt' = dt / Gamma where Gamma = sqrt( 1 - Beta^2 ) Combining all this, one gets Beta(t'+dt') - Beta(t') = a' * dt' * (1 - Beta(t'+dt') * Beta(t')) / c In the limit dt' -> 0 this becomes dBeta(t') = a' * (1 - Beta(t')^2) * dt' which (using the initial condition Beta(0)==0) integrates to Beta(t') = tanh( a' * t' / c ) [This asymptotically approaches 1, i.e. speed of light, thereby proving the claim made in my first sentence.] To finish the analysis: dx(t') = v(t') * dt = sinh( a' * t' / c ) * c * dt' To compute the distance D traveled in ship-board time T', when half the time is spent decelerating at -a', integrate dx from 0 to D/2 (corresponding to t' from 0 to T'/2; Symmetry! Is The Way Things Have To Be -- Jane Siberry) to obtain D(a',T') = 2 * c^2 * (cosh( a' * T' / (2 * c) ) - 1) / a' Using light-years, gees, and years for units, D(a',T') = 1.938 * (cosh( 0.516 * a' * T' ) - 1) / a' This is the formula I used to calculate travel distance in my other posting.