Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-crg!mordor!sri-spam!sri-unix!hplabs!tektronix!reed!omssw2!dps From: dps@omssw2.UUCP (Dave Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.emacs Subject: While we're blaming the terminal... Message-ID: <533@omssw2.UUCP> Date: Fri, 5-Dec-86 03:05:55 EST Article-I.D.: omssw2.533 Posted: Fri Dec 5 03:05:55 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 10-Dec-86 11:42:47 EST References: <8612020023.AA05566@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Organization: Intel Corp., OMS Div., Systems Group, Hillsboro, OR Lines: 30 > ... Your terminal or terminal emulator could have a mode in > which it translates keyboard entry of Control-S and Control-Q into > something else - either multi-character escape sequences or other > control characters....There are probably existing ibmpc > terminal emulator programs with keystroke macros powerful enough ... I would like to add a complaint about terminal manufacturers who set up the arrow keys to send single character control codes. Invariably, it will cause a distortion somewhere. We ran into this problem with VI when we first started using TVI 914's, and when I wanted to use arrow keys with emacs, I had to move a half-dozen functions (imagine: arrows that send ^V (c. down) and ^L (c. left?)). The Wyse 50 and Wyse 60 have the same problem, but at least on the Wyse 60 you can reprogram the arrow keys, and not have to do a lot of translations when you're in someone else's office. It's a lot easier to only have to step back and think "next line...oh, that's ^N" and not have to say "next line...oh, that's ^V...oh, my .emacsrc isn't running here, what's the ori- ginal next line...oh, that's ^N, which I normally use for next-page...." Does anyone know why Televideo and Wyse made this contribution to brain- damage? P.S. RMS should note that Wyse 50's and 60's don't behave nicely on ^space -- the most convenient keystroke built in is ^`, though it would be easy to set up a function key, and there are 32 possible function keys. Dave "dpsatomssw2" Friday, 12.5