Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!ll-xn!nike!lll-crg!bandy From: bandy@lll-crg.aRpA (Andrew Scott Beals) Newsgroups: comp.emacs Subject: Re: comparison shopping Message-ID: <7888@lll-crg.aRpA> Date: Thu, 20-Nov-86 18:00:23 EST Article-I.D.: lll-crg.7888 Posted: Thu Nov 20 18:00:23 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 20-Nov-86 23:39:03 EST References: <14582@kestrel.ARPA> Reply-To: bandy@lll-crg.UUCP (Andrew Scott Beals) Organization: Computation Research Group, Lawrence Livermore Labs Lines: 37 In article <14582@kestrel.ARPA> king@kestrel.ARPA (Dick King) writes: >[some things in response to Mike Gallaher's notette, among them:] >(I still use Unipress EMACS for my PC. Before you respond something >like "see, conses make GNUmacs too bulky" [...] No, RMS makes Gnumacs too bulky. That thing is a *pig*. Not to mention that the source code is gigantic. And that they don't provide a compress'ed version of the distribution on prep for people to ftp off, thus doubling the amount of network traffic out of mit-prep ["But you could login to prep and fix it yourself!" However, most people don't know that and clog the gateways.].. Perhaps this is why there is such a problem with the arpanet <-> milnet gateways as of late? Also, in His great wisdom, RMS decided to bind ^H to be the "Help" key. Way back when, during the true emacs days, the help key was ^_. I don't know if they're listening out there, but there are a *lot* of people who use ^H to delete the last character typed. "But you can rebind that." People say, however it is a number (five?) of non-obvious changes to totally rebind things -- my users, Gosmacs users, couldn't figure it out from the provided documentation. And let's not mention the maintainability of c-code written with the help of a bunch funny pre-processor defines that makes it look something like lisp. I think of the "baby" in Eraserhead whenever I look at that code. The code in Unipress Emacs and in Jove, on the other hand is just plain beautiful. andy -- Andrew Scott Beals (member of HASA - A and S divisions) bandy@lll-crg.arpa {ihnp4,seismo,ll-xn,ptsfa,pyramid}!lll-crg!bandy LLNL, P.O. Box 808, Mailstop L-419, Livermore CA 94550 (415) 423-1948 Primates who don't have tails should keep cats who don't have tails.