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From: felix@lifia.UUCP (Francois Felix INGRAND)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: Kyoto Common Lisp
Message-ID: <1025@lifia.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 20-Nov-86 06:21:14 EST
Article-I.D.: lifia.1025
Posted: Thu Nov 20 06:21:14 1986
Date-Received: Thu, 20-Nov-86 23:25:08 EST
References: <i10001.UUCP> <473@cdx39.UUCP> <227@tropix.UUCP>
Reply-To: felix@lifia.UUCP (Francois Felix INGRAND)
Organization: LIFIA-IMAG, Un. of Grenoble, France
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In article <227@tropix.UUCP> dls@tropix.UUCP (David L. Snyder ) writes:
>In article <473@cdx39.UUCP> wegrzyn@cdx39.UUCP (Chuck Wegrzyn) writes:
>>
>>  Can anyone tell me how I would go about getting Kyoto Common Lisp?
>
>	Ibuki
>	399 Main Street
>	Los Altos, CA 94022
>	(415) 949-1126
>is supposedly quite clean and portable.
>
>It'd be great to hear from someone with real experience, especially
>concerning performance.
>
>David Snyder

Here, at lifia, we use KCL since more than one year. Now our release must be
out of date, but the features of this CL are:

- It is quite clean, but we have found small bugs here and there (not really
important, indeed for the soft I write).

- It seems to be portable, My soft must run on KCL, VAXLISP (DEC) and I never
had any problems to port from one to the over (no experience with other CL).

- The compilation are VERY SLOW. Perhaps it is because the lisp is transformed
in C then in code, but I think that this the major problem of this CL.

- The execution is not very fast to, but with the test I have made, It seems
to be the same speed than VAXLISP (but many people said me that VAXLISP was
not considered as a fast CL).

- The garbage collecting seems to be "better" than those of VAXLISP (VAXLISP
GC stop for a very long time), in KCL, it is not more discret...

- It was not expensive, and it was one of the first CL on Unix (VAX).

Just one point. When we bought it, I asked it directly to Hagiya and Yuasa at
the  Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences of Kyoto, and I remember
that it was not so expensive, but perhaps it is because we are Academic group.


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