Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!wanginst!ulowell!miner From: miner@ulowell.UUCP (Richard Miner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: C-compilers for Amiga are Terrible Message-ID: <838@ulowell.UUCP> Date: Tue, 9-Dec-86 19:16:16 EST Article-I.D.: ulowell.838 Posted: Tue Dec 9 19:16:16 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 10-Dec-86 05:29:03 EST References: <8611191016.AA19776@cory.Berkeley.EDU> <1074@zen.BERKELEY.EDU> <1133@zen.BERKELEY.EDU> <9705@sun.uucp> <245@sbcs.UUCP> Reply-To: miner@ulowell.UUCP (Richard Miner) Organization: University of Lowell Lines: 43 In article <245@sbcs.UUCP> root@sbcs.UUCP (Root) writes: (Talks about a Sun development environment) >...development using a system similar to this for several months now, and >am convinced that cross development is the _only_ way to go for serious >development. Why suffer the slings and arrows of Manx, >Lattice, etc if you have access to a Sun workstation?? > Rick Spanbauer A few months ago I would have agreed with you Rick, but today I think the ideal Amiga development environment would be native: A turbo Amiga w/2.5meg, just about as fast as the new Sun/Apollo workstation and much faster then older models; The latest Manx or Lattice compiler, they are both shaping up quite well; hard disk; Ethernet and NFS, or ArcNet (call Ameristar in NJ); A recoverable ram disk ,I wish I could get Perrys over the self for my C-Ltd ram; Zorro expansion box for ethernet, memory, 68020, and home grown hardware; And the most important ingrediant, a second Amiga to test your code on so your development machine does not have to be rebooted after each compile when you visit the Guru. All of this equipment is still less then a Sun or Apollo, and look at all the toys you get to play with! In addition to the above being close to a Sun environment of today; as soon as source level debuggers are around for Manx or Lattice C the Amiga will become even more attractive. Don't get me wrong, I think Suns and Apollo's are great workstations I use them both and am trying to them and my Amiga's all talking. I would rather do Amiga specific development on the Amiga. To bad they can't programmed at a more abstract level. Just call OpenLibrary on all of them, forget CrossCompiling they could be object compatable; This is getting longer then I want to but one last note. The ideal developmet enviroment in the eyes of EA, as presented at the developers conference in thier talk "Developing a Workstation Environment", was a 10MHz IBM-AT :-( . Its worked for them but ugg... -- Rich Miner ...!wanginst!ulowell!miner ULowell, Center for Productivity Enhancement (617) 452-5000 x2693 HAL hears the Amiga9000 series is not selling. "Please explain Dave. Why aren't Amiga9000's selling?" Bowman hesitates, "You aren't IBM compatible."