Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!ANDREW.CMU.EDU!rs4u# From: rs4u#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: MacApp Sources... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5-Dec-86 23:48:45 EST Article-I.D.: andrew.MS.V3.18.rs4u.80021707.lyndora.sun3.81.0 Posted: Fri Dec 5 23:48:45 1986 Date-Received: Sun, 7-Dec-86 03:49:27 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 55 [Line-Eater? What Line-Eater? *Chomp* 8-) ] Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, Pittsburgh, Pa. Position: Confused Undergraduate I'll remain neutral on the subject of posting the MacApp sources, but let me ask: what is MacApp written in? Object Pascal? Lisa Pascal? If it were written in LisaPascal (which I seriously doubt), it would be useful to those of us who can't afford an implementation of Object Pascal (read that MPW). Ergo, it's written in Object Pascal. Besides, I would wager it's a huge amount of code to post. Can you say "A megabyte of source code?" I bet you can! Personally, I'd like to see more implementations of Object Pascal (Like in a future version of Lightspeed Pascal), and a leaner MacApp library -- one that DOESN'T need a meg and hard drive! Is a stripped MacApp possible? Or a MacApp consisting of modules? What frosts me is that I am a college student, a programmer of some experience, and a Macintosh developer of some experience, but I don't have the resources (hardware = $$$$ x 10**3), so all these tools that Apple are putting out -- and they are high-quality, too; in spite of its slowness and size, MPW/MacApp is REALLY powerful -- are out of my reach! I have only what I can afford: a 512K Macintosh with an external drive, both 400K drives, old Roms, and so forth. I can't afford an upgrade, I can't afford another disk drive (I borrowed an 800K drive from a friend). I need a hard disk and a megabyte to run MacApp and/or MPW (I heard that all MPW needs is 512K and two 800K drives, and I don't believe it because I saw it choke on a 512Kenhanced), and I'm stuck. I'm sorry to have gone off on such a wild flaming tangent, but I seriously think that more attention needs to be paid to the "kitchen-table" developer (or college student developer, if you wish) than is being paid right now. --Rich These opinions are mine only, and they're like champagne: fermented for a long time. Richard M. Siegel Arpanet: rs4u@andrew.cmu.edu (the only way to get to me!) Disclaimer --> Disclaimers are bogus. (And as I finish this letter, my friend Joe Keane comes up to me and reads the letter and says: "Rich, you know, the guys at Apple are going to read your post, and say 'We're sorry you feel this way', and send you a megabyte of memory just to shut you up.")