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Subject: Re: Poli-Sci Digest   V6 #97
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Date: Mon, 3-Nov-86 13:04:28 EST
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>Being neutral on the issue of whether statism is good or bad,

...give me a break....

>  The opportunity to
>vandalize a bus or a plane is very restricted

That doesn't seem to apply to city busses, which are regularly
vandalized.

>The presence of crew members is very important.  Notice the common
>occurrence of graffiti in rest-rooms (both in public and private
>office buildings)?

I haven't seen all that much in private office buildings.  There, the
walls are cleaned with some regularity.

>What about the hijacking of planes?  Are planes owned by states the
>only ones that get hijacked?

I was talking about random crime, not acts of war carried out by
governments.  Anyway, there has been very little hijacking in the US
-- and hijack prevention is the preserve of airports, which are mostly
state-run.

>Not clear, all your points seem to say is that we (Americans) or at
>least those of us (again, Americans) living in New York have a habit
>of vandalizing things (especially those owned by the state).

No, I said rather more than that.  I said that crime and graffiti are
only a problem in publically-controlled places.  They are *NOT*
problems on privately-controlled conveyances and parks, because there,
someone gives enough of a damn to stop crime and vandalism before it
starts.

>Need more *CONCRETE* evidence before anybody can agree with you on
>this.  It would seem that with the abundance of statist systems
>currently existing in the world, it would not be difficult to gather
>the evidence to support your point.  Statists may actually see the
>scarcity of such evidence (at least at this point in time) as
>something to cheer about.
 

Well, statists are pretty dim-witted to start with, so I wouldn't be
surprised to see one cheering his own execution.  But if you really
need more evidence than I have provided, go across Technology Square
at oh, say, midnight or so, climb on the T, and ride around for
awhile.  To the Common, say.  Or hop on the IRT and ride north through
Manhattan's West Side.  Loiter around the stations just above 115th,
say.  If you come back alive, you'll have the evidence you need.

                                        -- Rick
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