Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!ametek.UUCP!walton From: walton@ametek.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: What does driving cost? Message-ID: <12253968123.33.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Mon, 10-Nov-86 23:17:19 EST Article-I.D.: RED.12253968123.33.MCGREW Posted: Mon Nov 10 23:17:19 1986 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Nov-86 07:11:08 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: ametek!walton@csvax.caltech.edu Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 67 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu To: cit-vax!sirius.Berkeley.Edu!mcgeer It is not at all clear that the roads would exist in the absence of government action, or that they represent a "neighborhood effect." If, for example, trucks were charged the full amount for their use of the roads, it might turn out that railroads were more economical. As it stands now, truck transport receives an indirect government subsidy of uncertain size. The price of a product at the market should include the entire cost of its production, including raw materials and transportation. Otherwise, the price does not accurately reflect various products' costs. This distorts the market, since in an ideal market prices are a primary source of information about competing product. Use by emergency vehicles (which is a very small fraction of total use) could be included in the cost of police, ambulance, and fire fighting services. The marginal cost per automobile [for roads] is pretty small. No, it isn't, at least not anymore. The Auto Club of Southern California just called for the construction of 400 miles of new freeway here by 2000, at a cost of some $20 billion. This is over $1000 per automobile. Do you think this would happen if the city announced its intention to bill each car owner $100 per car per year for the next 15 years to finance these roads' construction? I don't. In contrast, a study done by another private group and reported in the LA Times Op-Ed page a few months ago found that a commuter rail system of similar length could be build for $350 million. I firmly believe that such a rail system should be privately owned and operated, by the way. The RTD, which operates the buses here, does not seem to know about modern management techniques such as firing people who don't do their job. In sum, the roads perform a variety of useful services besides getting people from A to B. All mass transit does is get people from A to B slowly, and in discomfort. The only beneficiaries are the small minority of individuals for whom the mass transit system's service nearly approximates an automobiles. In LA, at least, every person who rides a bus (or rides a bike as I do) is about one fewer car contributing to the noise, congestion, and pollution in the area. Surely those who drive benefit from this. Granted that it is difficult to quantify their benefit, but it is real. Before I started riding my bike to work, I took the bus. It was not terrible; in fact, it was rather nice to have an hour or so each day to read in peace and quiet. I mean, I love my two-year-old son dearly, but he can interfere with my love of books. I'm really only bicycling now in order to force myself to exercise. A large part of the mass-transit-vs.-automobile problem is that most people do not accurately calculate the cost of driving. If you include gasoline, insurance, maintenance, depreciation, and a moderate interest rate on the purchase price, even a modern subcompact costs 30 to 40 cents per mile to drive, assuming 10,000 miles per year. I can do the ten miles to work on the bus for 95 cents--a bargain at twice the price, as they say. On another subject, I was intrigued by your comment about the "neighborhood effect," which is what I believe economists typically call "public goods." Keith Lynch and others, including me, had a bit of an argument over whether public goods exist, whether national defense is a public good, and whether public goods should be funded by mandatory contributions to the government (read taxes). Where do you stand on this? Steve -------