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From: std-unix@ut-sally.UUCP (Moderator, John Quarterman)
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Subject: Re: file times and shell commands
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Date: Tue, 4-Nov-86 12:28:22 EST
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From: arnold@emory.arpa  (Arnold D. Robbins)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 86 13:20:48 EST
Organization: Math & Computer Science, Emory University, Atlanta

In article <6177@ut-sally.UUCP>:
>From: mayer@rochester.arpa  (Jim Mayer)
>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 86 22:15:54 est
>
>[....]
>
>There doesn't appear to be any decent way to compare the last modified
>times of files from the shell.  I have written programs to do this,
>but that makes any scripts I write using the programs essentially
>unexportable.
>
>There are several approaches to fixing the problem:
>
>1. Extend the "test" command, perhaps by borrowing the "-newer" syntax
>   of "find".
>[....]

The Korn shell did just this. In addition to the standard options listed
in the (System V) test(1) man page, there are four more options:

	-L	[ -L file ]; true if file is a symbolic link
	-nt	[ file1 -nt file2 ]; true if file1 is newer than file 2
	-ot	[ file1 -ot file2 ]; true if file1 is older than file 2
	-ef	[ file1 -ef file2 ]; true if file1 and file 2 same device/inode

The -L option will always be false on System V. The -ef goes through symbolic
links; you have to use [ f1 -ef f2 -a ! -L f1 -a ! -L f2 ] to be absolutely
sure.

>[....]
>All three work, however the second points out a problem with the
>Bourne shell: there is no "not" operator!

As has been pointed out in other forums, the S5 /bin/sh and the ksh both
support shell functions:

	not () {		# also "function not {" in ksh
		if "$@"
		then return 1
		else return 0
		fi
	}

	if not x y z a ...
	then
		whatever
	fi

Older /bin/sh versions leave you no choice:

	if x y z a ...
	then	:
	else
		whatever
	fi

A standard "not" operator would be nice, but shell functions and the test
stuff outlined above would be even better! (No, let's not start a debate
about shell functions vs. aliases vs. other shell features. We've already
been through that once on unix-wizards a while back.)
-- 
Arnold Robbins
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