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From: jgd@uwmcsd1.UUCP (John G Dobnick)
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Information requested on succes
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Date: Sat, 15-Nov-86 20:30:58 EST
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Posted: Sat Nov 15 20:30:58 1986
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> Xref: uwmacc news.misc:24 news.groups:12
> 
>> Time to once again suggest something *obvious*.  The order of newsgroup
>> presentation should be changed to display mod.announce.newusers >>*first*<<!!
>> This will automatically make this information available to new users...
> 
> Sorry, wrong.  It will do so *only* if they join the net by subscribing to
> "all" and then thinning things down thereafter.  It is not uncommon for
> users to join much more selectively, picking and choosing groups.  Such
> people *don't* get to see mod.announce.newusers automatically.
> -- 
> 				Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
> 				{allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henry

And I say that this will benefit at least *some* of the new users of
the net.  This will at least help *those* individuals onto the path
of net.correctness.   Saying that new net users join more selectively
is giving them more sophistication than I think is warranted (at least
in the context of the original discussion that caused me to mount my
"high horse" in the first place.)

I further say that any site administrators that discourage perusal of
mod.announce.newusers, or that prevent its reception at their sites,
are anti-net.social and irresponsible.  (Note: *NO* :-) on that statement!)

Finally, I say that anything this simple that has positive benefit to the
net, and if anyone disagrees that this *does* have positive benefit they
may discuss their reasons via e-mail, should be implemented.  

[Wasn't there a "feature" in 2.11 that would *forbid* the unsubscription to
the *.announce.newusers group, or have I confused this with something else?
If there is no such feature, maybe there *should* be.]

Sorry about this, Henry, but your message came across as anti-help-the-new-user.
Even if my suggestion does not help *all* new users, lets help at least
*some* of them, OK?

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John G Dobnick
Computing Services Division @ University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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