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From: dave@lsuc.UUCP
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: Sunday openings
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Date: Wed, 3-Dec-86 22:01:23 EST
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Posted: Wed Dec  3 22:01:23 1986
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In article <2819@watdcsu.UUCP> brewster@watdcsu.UUCP writes:
>
>>(For the record, I can definitely state that with Sunday openings
>>I and my family would have put more spending into the economy over
>>the past couple of years than we have done. As Orthodox Jews we
>>can't shop on Saturday, and evenings are a hassle with kids. We
>>do much of our food shopping on Sundays as it is, but there are
>>purchases which are less time-driven (e.g., a new car) which we
>>have put off for lack of convenient shopping time. We have a very
>>relaxing Sabbath of our own and have no need to rest on other people's.)
>
>  Come on now.  If you have money that you want to spend then you
>  will find the time to spend it.  What are you proposing,  you have
>  a huge hoard of money saved up that you really really want to spend
>  but just haven't been able to find the time to ?  

Read what I said above.

We don't have a huge hoard of money, but we do have a substantial
positive cash flow and a credit line. When we don't spend it,
our income goes into reducing the mortgage.

We also have two very young kids. We like to spend time with
them in the evenings, and we are usually too tired to do other
than "basic" shopping in the evenings anyway.

We cannot shop on Saturdays, except in December when there's a
combination of late store openings and early sundown (the Sabbath
is over at sundown).  And then it's only the malls which are open.

Unless we make a determined effort to go and look for something,
other than everyday supermarket purchases, we are unlikely to
be able to shop on any day other than Sunday.

If we decide there's something we really need (e.g., kids' clothes)
or want (e.g., the piano we recently got), we'll make a special effort,
go out in the evening or take time off during the day, and get it.
But there's a whole range of things we might buy if we had more casual
shopping time.  A second car is just one.

>  Sunday openings are the worst idea around.  In the short run it may
>  be better for the store to open if the competitors don't, but in the
>  long run everyone will be open, and there is no advantage. 

I beg to differ. See above.

I wouldn't object to legislation which entitles employees to
Sunday off if they wish it.  That would be fair to the
Christian majority in the province without interfering with
my shopping.  I'm sure there are plenty of unemployed people
willing to work on Sundays for some income.

David Sherman
The Law Society of Upper Canada
Toronto
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