Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!clyde!cbatt!cbosgd!gatech!jeff From: jeff@gatech.EDU (Jeff Lee) Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: VC-II key distribution (was - This is *stupid*) Message-ID: <7277@gatech.EDU> Date: Thu, 4-Dec-86 15:31:57 EST Article-I.D.: gatech.7277 Posted: Thu Dec 4 15:31:57 1986 Date-Received: Fri, 5-Dec-86 04:57:35 EST References: <12246@watnot.UUCP> <4725@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> Reply-To: jeff@gatech.UUCP (Jeff Lee) Distribution: net Organization: School of Information and Computer Science, Georgia Tech, Atlanta Lines: 26 Does anyone know where the key information is placed in the VC-II encryption scheme? It seems to me that if the information were stored in the horizontal or vertical retrace that you could build a box that you could switch out, have your favorite channel turned on, and then switch it back in and have it strip out anything extra once it detects a retrace. Something similar might could be done if they were using a portion of the picture that would normally be taken up by the overscan on most TV's. Or are they doing something more sophisticated by maybe putting another signal similar, but different, to the audio portion? It just seems that if they are not using some sort of public key encryption to bootstrap into the DES then there is big hole out there. Your receiver is receiving a key somehow. Even then, if you know where it is located and can filter it out of the signal once it is turned on, that is as good as any other black box. You just buy all the stations you want 1 time. If I were a hardware jock, this would just seem to be a real interesting "challenge". Something akin to the Scientific American article on RSA that printed the encrypted message that used 60+ digit encryption keys and offered some kind of award to anyone who could break it. Cheers, -- Jeff Lee CSNet: Jeff @ GATech ARPA: Jeff%GATech.CSNet @ CSNet-Relay.ARPA uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,seismo,ulysses}!gatech!jeff