Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!cmcl2!yale!husc6!mit-eddie!rutgers!princeton!allegra!ulysses!faline!karn From: karn@faline.UUCP (Phil R. Karn) Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: VC-II key distribution (was - This is *stupid*) Message-ID: <272@faline.UUCP> Date: Thu, 4-Dec-86 20:19:15 EST Article-I.D.: faline.272 Posted: Thu Dec 4 20:19:15 1986 Date-Received: Sat, 6-Dec-86 21:44:53 EST References: <12246@watnot.UUCP> <4725@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> <7277@gatech.EDU> Distribution: net Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc Lines: 23 > It just seems that if they are not using some sort of public key encryption > to bootstrap into the DES then there is big hole out there. Your receiver is > receiving a key somehow. The primary/secondary key management scheme is designed to thwart exactly this kind of attack. Yes, the keys your box needs to decrypt the audio ARE sent over the satellite BUT they are themselves encrypted by a different, "primary" DES key -- which is never sent over the air. The primary keys (there are 4, of which one is active at any time) are loaded into each Videocipher box as it is manufactured, and they sit in registers on the DES chip. They cannot be read out through the device pins, and dropping battery backup power to the chip destroys the key. As I said in my last message, the security of Videocipher lies entirely in the physical security of these primary keys; if you can figure out how to get them out of the chip, you've broken the system. Rumor also has it that the Videocipher scheme has a "remote destruct" command which allows M/A-Com to tell a box to forget the primary keys; the box then becomes useless until it is returned to the factory for key reloading. Now consider a future Captain Midnight figuring out how to trigger this function. What a concept. Phil