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From: weemba@brahms (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: news.misc,sci.lang
Subject: Re: Abuses of the net
Message-ID: <378@cartan.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Wed, 19-Nov-86 21:52:29 EST
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Posted: Wed Nov 19 21:52:29 1986
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I am directing followups to news.misc only.  news.admin, Stevan, is for
discussion of day to day running the software sort of stuff, not flames
about the net itself.  And posting your article twice, instead of cross
posting, makes it hard to track down and respond to.

In article <225@mind.UUCP> harnad@mind.UUCP (Stevan Harnad) writes:
>>[a dozen or so rude comments deleted]
>I find it astonishing that such an obviously disturbed individual has
>access to an account at brahms.berkeley.EDU,

Really?  Ohmygosh, how did that happen?  I guess that modem in People's
Park wasn't such a good idea after all.

>					      let alone the news net.

You are a complete net.neophyte.  I recommend you try e-mail first to
the person involved.  I have absolutely no idea what was going through
Michael's mind at the time, and his "shit-for-brains" seemed entirely
uncalled for, but the rest of his comments seemed fairly routine fare.

Considering that Michael made reference to net.debate from THREE YEARS
back, it's clear that something is going on that you don't know about.
For all you know the person involved called Michael incredibly rude
things back then, and he's just returning the favor.  I wouldn't know.

Read a little more carefully before calling someone "obviously disturbed."
At least if you plan to have your complaint considered seriously.

Actually, if I had my druthers, I'd ban people like you for crossposting
to 10 groups without putting in a followup.  Instead I sent you e-mail
asking you not to do so.  I never got a response, but then I've never
seen you do it again.  Posting to inappropriate groups in the first
place, like news.admin, isn't too net.friendly an idea either.

>If the net is to evolve into the respectable forum many of us hope it
>will become,

Hahahaha.  This isn't talk.bizarre.

>							       A copy of this
>will be sent to the system administrator at berkeley.EDU.

I think such e-mail, especially from neophytes, is considered boring.

>							   I hope
>other net news users will also bring some collective pressure to bear
>on this sort of behavior.

Well, this net news user is going to call Michael a bad boy the next time
he sees him.  (While we are still in sci.lang, does anyone care to tell me
how to phrase such third person sentences smoothly and correctly?  Be sure
to fix the followup.)

ucbvax!brahms!weemba	Matthew P Wiener/UCB Math Dept/Berkeley CA 94720
Without NNTP, the brahms gang itself would be impossible.  --Erik E Fair