Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!princeton!puvax2!PUCC.BITNET!D0430 From: D0430@PUCC.BITNET (Paul Lansky) Newsgroups: sci.med Subject: tone deafness Message-ID: <1355@PUCC.BITNET> Date: Wed, 12-Nov-86 23:46:25 EST Article-I.D.: PUCC.1355 Posted: Wed Nov 12 23:46:25 1986 Date-Received: Thu, 13-Nov-86 04:01:12 EST Reply-To: D0430@PUCC.BITNET Organization: Princeton University Computing Center, Princeton, New Jersey Lines: 23 I am a musician and have spent years teaching, singing, writing, playing, etc., and have dealt with lots of ears from incredible to crummy. Here, however, is an interesting fact which has me completely baffled. If you take a group of untrained singers, none of whom have absolute pitch, but all of whom can carry a tune, and have them sing without instruments in a key made mostly of white keys (C,D,F,G, etc) almost without fail (this has happened to me dozens of times) the group as a whole will drift flat, usually a semitone and end up in a black key (Cflat, Dflat, Fflat, Gflat etc, relatively), **and stay there**. BUT---if you start them out in a black key, such as F#, they will not drift, but will stay where they are. In all cases, without instruments I haven't the foggiest idea why this will happen. I've talked with choral directors, and they confirm this, particularly if they are dealing with amateur singers. It leads me to believe that there is a lot about pitch memory that we don't understand and that many of the distinctions between absolute pitch and normal hearing are too simple. I'd be interested in the experiences of others in this area. Paul Lansky bitnet==d0430@pucc Music Department uucp == princeton!winnie!paul Princeton University