Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!think!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!decvax!tektronix!uw-beaver!cornell!rochester!kodak!elmgate!jdg From: jdg@elmgate.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Some thoughts Message-ID: <565@elmgate.UUCP> Date: Tue, 3-Feb-87 09:17:35 EST Article-I.D.: elmgate.565 Posted: Tue Feb 3 09:17:35 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 5-Feb-87 04:16:46 EST References: <17128@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Reply-To: jdg@aurora.UUCP (Jeff Gortatowsky) Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga Distribution: na Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester, NY Lines: 58 Keywords: AmigaDOS, MINIX, UNIX, GNU In article <17128@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> robinson@shadow.berkeley.edu (Mike Robinson) writes: >[Will MINIX have a line-eater?] > > >I have giving some thought recently to the future configuration of my Amiga >(CPU, OS, mass storage, etc.). In particular, I was thinking about the >inevitable port of MINIX to the Amiga. > [Lot's of stuff about pro's and cons of MINIX, some good some bad.] > > >So my idea, the point of all this, is to make AmigaDOS look like UNIX. If >MINIX can look like UNIX, there should be no real reason why AmigaDOS can't. >If this were done, one would have all the advantages of MINIX (except source >to the kernel), without all the disadvantages. Unix and AmigaDOS software >living and running side-by-side in the same environment. > I'd be quite happy with AmigaDOS alone if: The %^$$ file system wasn't soooo badly screwed up. (BTW. Is this inherent in EVERY CBM machine?) The thoughput of AmigaDOS was anywhere within reason (38k/sec is a joke). (The above figure came from some posting, nonetheless it's slow) The system implemented REAL live, honest to goodness pipes. (60% of UNIX's power is in the usage.) The system had a simple, fast, REAL LIVE MMU. >Due to the heroic efforts of Matt Dillon and others, there are UNIX-like >shells that look increasingly like the real thing. > Agreed, but then PeeCee DOS has these tools as well, and it ain't UNIX either. UNIX 'like' and UNIX can be anything from displaying a '%' for a prompt up to and including BSD4.3. Just no substitute for the real thing with a real MMU. >It seems to me that the only thing necessary for a UNIX environment on the >Amiga, that is even more free than MINIX, is a (loosely) organized and >................ What we really need is: A PD MMU design and the resources to hack and/or remove AmigaDOS from kickstart. Unreal? Maybe. But no more so than attemping to put the look and feel of UNIX on a system whose design, as shipped, precludes this. >Comments? >Mike Robinson USENET: ucbvax!ernie!robinson > ARPA: robinson@ernie.berkeley.edu Comments. -- Jeff Gortatowsky {allegra,seismo}!rochester!kodak!elmgate!jdg Eastman Kodak Company