Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbatt!ihnp4!houxm!ho95e!wcs From: wcs@ho95e.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: why learn UNIX Message-ID: <1305@ho95e.ATT.COM> Date: Sun, 1-Feb-87 21:57:46 EST Article-I.D.: ho95e.1305 Posted: Sun Feb 1 21:57:46 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 3-Feb-87 02:12:15 EST References: <2083@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> <1238@frog.UUCP> <4221@utah-cs.UUCP> <1977@ncoast.UUCP> Reply-To: wcs@ho95e.UUCP (46133-#Bill.Stewart,2G202,x0705,) Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Bell Labs 46133, Holmdel, NJ Lines: 34 In article <1977@ncoast.UUCP> btb@ncoast.UUCP (Brad Banko) writes: >How much does dec pay these guys to knock Unix in favor of VMS? VMS is >like an advanced MSDOS for minicomputers... Unix is sheer brilliance, >simplicity of design & function... ......... >I don't have to sell Unix to these non-believers... either they retire, or >they will have to learn it within the next 5 years, because in the free >market, productivity and standardization are the restoring force, and with >this force, Unix has been the single stable eigenstate for the past 10+years. Ok, so I like UNIX too, and I' rather not do development on VMS (or --OH, NO--- TSO, or MS-DOS), but VMS does have its good points. In the real world, there's a *lot* of adequate-quality software serving business needs, and while you or I may not think COBOL-written accounting programs are any fun, a lot of businesses need accounting, and it's a lot harder to do high-performance transaction processing on UNIX systems than on VMS. Similarly, for number-crunching, I'd rather have the flexibility of C++ to work in, but there are a lot of heavy-duty F0RTRAN scientific subroutine packages that I'd rather reuse than rewrite, and a lot of scientific programming can be done adequately without good recursive control structures, and nobody's ever claimed f77 was a model of optimum high-speed code generation. While VMS version changes are probably more painful than UNIX version changes, you can change hardware without changing your object code, and that's worth a lot. There are some obvious costs to staying with DEC hardware, but they do a good job of supporting their customers, and that keeps them, and VMS, in business. You know all the disclaimers I'm supposed to add here. -- # Bill Stewart, AT&T Bell Labs 2G-202, Holmdel NJ 1-201-949-0705 ihnp4!ho95c!wcs