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Subject: C-2 as C-1
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Date: Wed, 21-Jan-87 01:04:27 EST
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  From: Stevan Harnad <princeton!mind!harnad@seismo.CSS.GOV>:

  Worse than that, C-2 already presupposes C-1. You can't
  have awareness-of-awareness without having awareness -- i.e., direct,
  first-order experiences like toothaches -- in the first place.


A quibble: It would be possible to remember having a toothache
without actually having one.  It is also possible, as Minsky seems
to suggest, that my entire conscious perception of a current toothache
is an "illusory pain" based on the memory of a neural signal
of a moment ago.  These views do not solve the problem, of course;
the C-2 consciousness must be explained even if the C-1 experience
was an illusion.  My conscious memory of the event is more than
just an uninterpreted memory of a memory of a memory ...

					-- Ken Laws