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From: ssmith@nrtc-wobot.UUCP ("Stephen P. Smith")
Newsgroups: mod.computers.vax
Subject: Excelan TCP/IP
Message-ID: <8701201836.AA68485280@nrtc-wobot>
Date: Tue, 20-Jan-87 18:29:58 EST
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Posted: Tue Jan 20 18:29:58 1987
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Query:
>Both the TELNET and FTP software work fine outgoing (to other nodes),
>and the TELNET works fine incoming, but the FTP fails to 
>allow remote logins (either from our machine to our machine, or from
>other machines to our machine).  The error message it returns is
>
>530 Login Failed.
>login failed.
>after you enter your password.

Response:
>Problem is that they made a "feature" with this release of the
>FTP server such that an FTP login requires access to use "Network"
>logins, even if you are not otherwise using DECNet (which is the only
>other thing that uses that access class).

We have the same problem at our site, and the /network class had
nothing to do with it.  It turns out that many ftp client programs
on Unix are broken and in auto-prompt mode only allow an 8 character
password.  If your password on VMS is longer than 8 characters, you
lose.  To check this, from your Unix machine, do:
   ftp -d vmsmachine
You should get the standard auto-prompt for username and password.
The -d switch shows what gets sent over to the server.  Note the
truncated password if it is longer than 8 characters.  To get things
to work, turn off the auto-prompt with 
   ftp -n vmsmachine
and then enter the line
   user myusername mypassword
This explictly sends the full password over (of course, it means
you type it with echo on).  Of course, you could fix the Unix
ftp program.

--Steve

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           * Dr. Stephen P. Smith                     *
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