Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!decwrl!ucbvax!SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU!INFO-MAC From: INFO-MAC@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.mac Subject: INFO-MAC Digest V5 #33 Message-ID: <8612312152.AA18055@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 31-Dec-86 16:17:00 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8612312152.AA18055 Posted: Wed Dec 31 16:17:00 1986 Date-Received: Wed, 31-Dec-86 21:00:00 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: INFO-MAC@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 499 Approved: info-mac@sumex-aim.arpa INFO-MAC Digest Wednesday, 31 Dec 1986 Volume 5 : Issue 33 Today's Topics: Gathering at MacWorld LightspeedC 2.01 and TransSkel Plotting via Fortran Lightspeed Pascal vs. TML printing graph on IW-1 w/o break Protocol more on Textures Writing scientific papers on the Mac Addendum to weird disk problem Re: Folder sizes Problems with MacFlow by Mainstay Copy II Mac version 6.2 About printers and such Need Help formatting SCSI hard disk Old Club Mac News and Mac Rumors Speak and Spell program? Excel Formula Protection ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 86 11:35:25 PST From: Reply-to: DAVEG%SLACVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Gathering at MacWorld Joel West, on one of the usenet Mac newsgroups, suggested that some of us netters get together at MacWorld for a Chinese dinner on Friday night at 7pm. I'm trying to get a head count so I can make the appropriate reservations. Contact me via Email if you are interested and if I don't somehow manage a reply (some of the paths are hard to get!) plan on meeting about 6pm in the downstairs corridor just before the exhibits. RSVP to the address below and NOT TO INFO-MAC!!!!! I look forward to meeting some of you! David Gelphman BITNET address: DAVEG@SLACVM Bin #88 SLAC ARPANET address: DAVEG@SLACVM.BITNET Stanford, Calif. 94305 UUCP address: ...psuvax1!daveg%slacvm.bitnet 415-854-3300 x2538 usual disclaimer #432 applies: my employer apologies for the fact that I have access to this net. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 86 10:47:24 CST From: Paul DuBois Subject: LightspeedC 2.01 and TransSkel To make TransSkel compile under LightspeedC 2.01, remove the definitions that were put in to make window zooming work, i.e., the trap number # defines and the inZoomIn/Out enumeration. These can be taken out because the compiler now knows the trap numbers and the part codes are included in the proper enumeration in WindowMgr.h. The enumeration should be removed from EventLog.c (TransDisplay demo), also. With these changes, all the Trans* stuff seems to work as usual. --- Paul DuBois UUCP: {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois | ARPA: dubois@easter --+-- dubois@rhesus | | "What is lacking cannot be counted." - Solomon the cladist (Ecclesiastes 1:15) ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 86 15:47:00 EST From: "NRL2::MENTON" Subject: Plotting via Fortran Reply-to: "NRL2::MENTON" Now that we have *TWO* FORTRAN 77 compilers for our 16 bit Atari STs, I'm looking for fairly simple (something less than the DISSPLA package, for example) FORTRAN plotting routines. I'd like to do simple X-Y plots with labels (several curves on one graph), semi-log plots and polar plots. Output device is an Epson dot matrix printer and/or the monitor. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone knowing of FORTRAN subroutines that can handle these jobs. Please contact me directly, as I do not receive mail from this net. Many thanks. Bob Menton ARPAnet: MENTON@NRL-ACOUSTICS Ma Bell (??) (202) 767-2367 Snail: NRL, Code 5132, Wash., DC 20375 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 86 13:26 EST From: Paul Christensen Subject: Lightspeed Pascal vs. TML Well, Christmas was good to me. I finally got my copy of Lightspeed Pascal. Unfortunately, after being VERY impressed with Lightspeed's compilation speed and debugging environment (ala MacPascal), I found a couple of complaints, and wondered if anyone on the net had workarounds ... Lightspeed Pascal does not seem to generate compact code. The SAME code (a relatively short program) compiled under both TML and Lightspeed produces a 6K executable (TML) and a 12K exec (Lightspeed). The Lightspeed manual *claims* that it has an intelligent linker, but come on, this is the same performance I was getting from TML version 1.0 (before they stopped using a modified Apple MDS Linker). Am I doing something wrong? The program does *not* use any special MacPascal windows (ie. Text or Drawing) since they aren't available under TML. The Lightspeed manual alludes to SmallPasLib, which is the same as PasLib, without the MacPascal extensions. If I included this in my project file would it make a difference? Equivalent code in Lightspeed and TML (again)... TML seems to run about 10% faster. Again, is it something I've passed over in the documentation (perhaps a project option)? Lightspeed seems less compatible with LisaPascal than TML was. Or are there shortcuts for changing the LisaPascal directives? Thanks for any advice, Paul Christensen CSNET: PCHRISTENSEN@RCA.COM ------------------------------ Date: Tue 30 Dec 86 12:41:42-PST From: David Liu Subject: printing graph on IW-1 w/o break How do I print graph (long graph) on IW-II without page break? Whatever works on MSBasic, ZBasic, LSPascal, etc. will do. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 86 12:44:38 pst From: Herb Barad Subject: Protocol This is a program I wrote called Protocol. It is a revised version of the Flow program provided with MacApp. Protocol fixes many of the bugs that I found in Flow. Also, the purpose is different. Protocol will create a graphical display of a class hierarchy (compaticle with MacDraw). Very useful for people developing object-oriented s/w (i.e. during the documentation phase). Herb Barad [USC - Signal and Image Processing Institute] USENET: ...!sdcrdcf!usc-oberon!brand!barad or ...!mcvax!seismo!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!usc-oberon!brand!barad ARPANET: barad@brand.usc.edu USMail: Univ. of Southern California Powell Hall 306, MC-0272 Los Angeles, CA 90089-0272 phone: (213) 743-0911 [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]PROTOCOL.HQX DAVEG ] ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 86 21:41:00 EST From: Subject: more on Textures Reply-to: On Christmas eve I got TeXtures version 0.95c in the mail. Nice present. Here are some comments. Typesetting speed is unchanged as best I can tell. Still about 10 sec/page for pretty heavily mathematical stuff. This is with a Mac+ and MacBottom SCSI HD. Preview is a little faster. Especially if you use "next page" and "prev. page" to toggle back and forth a couple of times. Flipping pages seems to be about 1.5 seconds for the screen updates. Wow. Caveat: I am using Turbocharger, so this may be part of the speed up. Many, many new fonts. I use Textures mainly for screen preview and then upload the .tex files to a vax for hardcopy output. In this mode of operation, I think (but am not sure) that most of the new fonts are superfluous. About 2.8 MEGS of fonts now. The nicest addition is the "texfonts at 120%". In the plain format you can now (just!) fit the full horizontal lines across the Mac screen for preview. This is a significant gain in readability since the fonts are no longer interpolated by the font manager when you use the "120%" magnification. Also, the presence of 120% fonts makes for noticeably faster screen updates. Gripes: Only minor ones. "next page" should position to the _top_ of the next page. This is consistent with how the preview is actually used. Still no separate .dvi files, although they say it's coming. I still don't like the flicker effect that happens when you use the magnifying glass. Suggestions: As I said, change the way "next page" works. Variable size magnifying glass. Save default, especially to save window siz and position. You can just fit the FULL horizontal lines on the Mac screen at "120%" magnification but it takes some careful adjustment of the output window. Sure would be nice to be able to save that setup to avoid doing it every time. How do we add formats?? BTW, there is a screen dump in the documentation that shows LaTeX and AMS TeX installed as formats. Anyone out there have these working??? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 86 16:05:41 EST From: "Thomas D. Schardt" Subject: Writing scientific papers on the Mac Does anyone have recommendations for someone who wants to write scientific papers on the Mac in the "what-you-see-is-what-you-get" fashion? A paper might include text, formulae, tables, footnotes (both at the bottom of a page or at the end of the paper), bibliography, and/or possibly graphics (PICT format must likely). The paper might be printed on the ImageWriter I, II or the LaserWriter/+. Is there an intergrated package for this? If not, what pieces seem to work well together? Tom Schardt BITNET: K3TDS@SCFVM ARPANET: K3TDS%SCFVM.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 86 11:35:03 EST From: Thomas Coradeschi (FSA-E) Subject: Addendum to weird disk problem I've received a couple of replies to my inquiry about a disk with a full dir- ectory, but 140k of free space. So, to clarify, the disk only has 87 files on it, so i don't believe the problem revolves around reaching the limit of 128 files. Also, i dragged all the file icons to another disk, and the directory is not full on that one! Same data on both disks, just that one has a full direc- tory and the other doesn't. Is it possible that the directory remembers all the files including those which have been deleted? The disk has been in use since January 86, so i'm sure the combination of deleted and current files adds up to 128. Does anyone know about this? Can i clean up the directory? I've got fedit, mactools, etc, but really don't quite know how to go about this. Thanks for your help, both past and future, tom c ------------------------------ From: "Steve Munson" Subject: Re: Folder sizes Date: Wed, 31 Dec 86 12:45:14 EST Thank you for the clarification on how to see folder sizes. To be more accurate, though, you need to open a folder and its entire hierarchy of subfolders in order to see the total size of files contained in the folder. This ranges from inconvenient to impossible, depending on how many folders are in the folder, since all the windows have to be open at the time you look at the folder size. As soon as a window closes, its contents are removed from the total folder size. This is ridiculous. I can't even do something as simple as finding the size of the largest folder on a hard disk. I think it's time for a computer scientist to design a Finder for the Macintosh. Steve Munson sbm@Purdue.EDU sbm@Purdue.CSNET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 86 13:05:54 PST From: DAVEG@slacvm.bitnet Reply-to: DAVEG%SLACVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: Problems with MacFlow by Mainstay We recently purchased MacFlow here at work and almost immediately found a serious problem with the program. You cannot move graphics to the clipboard for pasting in other programs (or desk accessories). You can use the clipboard for copying, cutting and pasting graphics within the program itself. This SEVERELY limits the utility of this program if you can't move graphics into MacDraw or MacDraft (no export facility is provided either) since you have no way of enhancing the graphics beyond what the MacFlow program provides. To me, this violates one of best properties of the Mac, the passing of data between programs. I called Mainstay immediately to complain about this. The first tech support person wasn't familiar with the program. The second support person supposedly was familiar with the program and didn't seem to believe me when I told him about this, EVEN AFTER I POINTED TO THE PAGE IN THE DOCUMENTATION WHICH SAYS SO. I was told they would have to contact the author to find out what the story is and I would be called back. After 1 week I have received no call, but the holidays may have interfered. If I get more info about this I will post it. David Gelphman BITNET address: DAVEG@SLACVM Bin #88 SLAC ARPANET address: DAVEG@SLACVM.BITNET Stanford, Calif. 94305 UUCP address: ...psuvax1!daveg%slacvm.bitnet 415-854-3300 x2538 usual disclaimer #432 applies: my employer apologies for the fact that I have access to this net. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 86 13:36 EST From: Paul Christensen Subject: Copy II Mac version 6.2 Well, I'd heard so much about the new version of Copy II Mac, that I was all ready to run out to my dealer and purchase it (at the cost of a direct upgrade from Central Point, I was better off just buying the new version). Unfortunately, my dealer had a licensed copy on his hard disk, and I had a chance to play around with it. Yes, Copy II Hard Disk has changed very little. MacTools finally works with HFS (but they removed the menu options for INVISIBLE, PROTECTED, LOCKED... so you have to click each box on or off). But, unfortunately Copy II Mac seemed so buggy it wasn't worth buying. Currently, I'm using version 5.4, which works with 400k/800k drives very reliably. When I sector copy a disk with protected tracks, it places "R" flags in the copy status blocks, so I can go back afterwards and simply bit copy ONLY the bad tracks. Version 6.2 (copying the same protected disk) failed to report ANY read errors on sector copy, and thus produced a non-working backup. I could hear the disk drive running into read problems on the same tracks that version 5.4 had flagged, but NO MESSAGES WERE DISPLAYED. My dealer told me that he still uses version 5.4. Version 6.0 was so buggy it didn't even backup non-protected disks reliably. And version 6.1 and 6.2 fail to report read errors. Is there a newer version of Copy II that corrects these problems, or has Central Point Software "lost their touch"? Paul Christensen CSNET: PCHRISTENSEN@RCA.COM ------------------------------ Date: Tue 30 Dec 1986 09:02 CST From: Samir Kaleem Subject: About printers and such A friend of mine is interested in buying a mac, and he had a few questions for me, a couple that I wasn't sure about. Maybe someone in netland can help. 1) He wants to buy a Smith Corona (SE something) typewriter that has an RS232 interface so it can be hooked up to a computer. He wanted to know if the Mac would be able to hook up to it. As far as I know, it should be no problem. He'd have to print in draft mode (in which case only ascii characters would be sent which should be recognizable by the typewriter) ofcourse. Now, would the imagewriter driver be able to handle that or would some other driver have to be used? Even more important, would the mac be able to drive the typewriter at all? 2) My friend also has a ProPrinter (or such) that he used with his Apple ][+. The printer has a parallel interface. He wanted to know where he could get a parallel to serial converter for that printer so it could be used with the mac also. Again, would he need some special driver for this printer? I'd appreciate any information that someone could provide. I'll pass the info on to my friend. Help folks...we might have yet another mac convert here... Oh a little bit of info that I might as well pass on. I found that RamStart 1.22 doesn't auto eject after installing a ram disk on an HFS disk. I changed the disk to an MFS disk (still using Finder 5.3 and Sys 3.2), and everything works fine now. Now it even shows my startup screen which I had in another folder so it wouldn't be put in the ram disk. Any comments here? A happy New year all... Samir Kaleem Bitnet: Arpa: [ note from moderator: Ramstart 1.23 is the first HFS compatibile version of the Ramstart program. DAVEG ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 86 23:06:14 EST From: LSI%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Peter Lawall, Logical Subject: Need Help formatting SCSI hard disk Help! I recently purchased a Shugart 1610-4 SCSI controller card and a Seagate ST225 drive to use with my Mac. I wrote a "C" program that formats the drive and installs the driver descriptor map, device partition map, and the SCSI driver proper (the Apple one). This all works fine, but naive old me thought that that was all I'd have to do... Sure enough, it was not. I suppose that something more in the way of initialization is necessary, but I'm not too sure about how to go about it. Any help, suggestions, pointers to information, etc. would be greatly appreciated, especially if it can be accomplished in "C" rather than assembler. Alternately, are there any commercial software packages out there to accomplish this task? Ephraim Vishniac's SF&I looks like it could do the trick, but ends in the rather uninformative message "disk initialization failed"... Whatever that means. Also I'd heard that "Fractal Software" was working on a similar package, but I've never seen an address or phone number for them... Alas.... Thanks in advance, Peter Lawall ------------------------------ Date: Tue 30 Dec 86 00:01:34-PST From: David Gelphman... Subject: Old Club Mac News and Mac Rumors For fun I looked through a bunch of old Club Mac newsletters I had saved. I remember that I really used to look forward to their arrival, they seemed to be loaded with stuff I didn't see elsewhere. Looking back sure made them look thin and stale. I did notice that the issues which were more than 1 1/2 years old had few ads by companies which are still in business. One more thing which I think is of current interest...with the MacWorld just 8 days or so away and rumors still flying about what the next machine(s) will be I thought it was interesting what the rumors were in Nov. 1985 when the Mac+ loomed on the horizon. From Club Mac News: Nov. 1985 issue: * I predict a new mother board for the 512K, with new ROMs, 1 MB of memory, another port for other devices (perhaps a color monitor) and no new CPU. * The new ROMs will allow double-sided drives, and therefore will be announced. * The new mother board will permit a color monitor, and therefore will be announced. My guess is it will have at least as many pixels as the Amiga. * I predict a formal announcement of the Jonathan, and that it won't be available for a while. Dec. 1985 issue: * The new Roms are frozen and may be released before the MacWorld Expo in Jan '86. * Apple has changed the interface, and pull down menus are now scrollable. * The name of the new Mac will be Macintosh + * There will be a Laserwriter+ with 1 Meg ROM, 33 resident fonts, and higher resolution. Don't hold your breath on this one; I suspect it's mostly vaporous. * Hyperdrive may have a file server in the works. * I heard more whispering about the SCSI port than anything else. There is little doubt that Apple will release a Mac with an SCSI port. * Why would Apple undercut its own HD20 with the SCSI port. A fair question, to which I'll impart a medium to fairly reliable rumor. In June, or after Atari announces its read-only laser drive, Apple will announce its read/write laser drive. Any guesses on size and price? -- I guess I think the above stuff just shows that we should believe some of the rumors and ignore others. No big surprise! David Gelphman ------------------------------ Date: Sun 28 Dec 86 22:18:11-PST From: William "Chops" Westfield Subject: Speak and Spell program? So my girlfriend and I got her son a TI Speak and Spell for Christmas, and I was wondering whether a piece of software that does teh same sort of thing is available for any of teh current generation of "home" computers, since I know at least that they can all talk. (If not, why not? It seems like a good idea...) Please at least CC me directly, since I don't read any of these mailing lists very frequently. BillW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 86 09:36:34 EST From: bills@CCA.CCA.COM (Bill Stackhouse) Subject: Excel Formula Protection Does anybody know how to protect formulas in an Excel spreadsheet without protecting the data. The goal is to keep people from changing the forumlas but allow them to enter data into the spreadsheet. Bill Stackhouse Cambridge, MA. bills@cca.cca.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-MAC Digest **********************