Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!AI.AI.MIT.EDU!kfl From: kfl@AI.AI.MIT.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: (none) Message-ID: <12267766162.17.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Fri, 2-Jan-87 14:32:12 EST Article-I.D.: RED.12267766162.17.MCGREW Posted: Fri Jan 2 14:32:12 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 2-Jan-87 18:51:03 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: kfl@ai.ai.mit.edu Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 68 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu From: Richard A. Cowan ... There have to be some laws; Agreed. there have to be roads for businesses to use. Right. Which business should pay the cost of their use of. And which can and should be privately built, maintained, and owned. There have to be workweek limits, if you want to avoid slave conditions for labor. Evidence, please? There has to be transit, ... Which should be privately built, maintained, and owned. Libertarianism may put the individual above the State, but it still does not put the individual above the Corporate State. This doesn't make any sense. The individual is above everything, unless he personally chooses to place something above himself (such as a religion). Libertarians and objectivists all believe this. ... I don't see any reason why power -- this means wealth, too -- cannot be distributed among greater numbers of hands. Wealth and power are totally different. Power should be distributed evenly among the population. Wealth should belong to whoever creates it, unless he decides to trade it or to give it away. Trends would suggest that, if anything, power is becoming more concentrated. An article in last Sunday's New York Times magazine on the distribution of wealth is excellent. Wealth and power are not the same. Mentioning them interchangably won't make them the same. I don't think it matters how concentrated wealth is. Wealth belongs to those who create it. If it is routinely stolen from them, they will stop creating it. The bottom ten percent income group today is wealthier than the middle class was 100 years ago. Even if wealth did not "trickle down", which it does, there would still be no justification to steal from the individuals who created the wealth. You are free to give your wealth to the poor, and to talk others into doing the same. You are not free to take wealth from others against their will, even if you have talked 99% of the population into agreeing with you that doing so would be a good idea. Communications technologies ... will allow those in power to exert greater control over ever greater numbers of people. Which is one of the reasons why communitions media must be privately owned, rather than controlled by the government as in communist countries. ... New forms of organizing societies, neither completely socialist nor capitalist, which do not create the "forms of life" which traditional systems do, are necessary. I have seen no evidence for this. ...Keith -------