Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!lll-lcc!mordor!styx!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!AI.AI.MIT.EDU!kfl From: kfl@AI.AI.MIT.EDU Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: Firing Message-ID: <12268567468.17.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Mon, 5-Jan-87 15:53:55 EST Article-I.D.: RED.12268567468.17.MCGREW Posted: Mon Jan 5 15:53:55 1987 Date-Received: Mon, 5-Jan-87 23:04:54 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: kfl@ai.ai.mit.edu Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 39 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu From: mcgeer%sirius.Berkeley.EDU@BERKELEY.EDU (Rick McGeer) The major point is still this. Employers have a hard time establishing to a court that employees aren't doing an adequate job. They shouldn't have to, any more than employees should have to establish anything in court in order to resign. So long as employers can't can people for arbitrary reasons, you're going to have things like widespread drug testing. Probably true. Which makes it ironic that most opponents of drug testing apparently oppose individual rights for employers. Why? Courts may not accept "he was doing a lousy job" as adequate for dismissal, but "he snorted enough cocaine to choke a medium-sized horse" ought to do the trick. Sad but true. Of course employers ought not fire someone simply because they use drugs, unless the drug use causes them to do poor work. And if they are doing poor work, it is hardly relevant whether it is due to drug use or not. (Which is not to say that employers should be forbidden by law from requiring drug tests - in case anyone misinterpets my saying "employers ought not" as meaning "there ought to be a law".) Liberals take note: *this* is the effect of labour protection and civil rights legislation. I wonder how our friends in the ADA, the ACLU and the AFL-CIO feel now? Of course, if they regretted, this would imply that liberals can learn -- in which case, of course, they'd be conservatives. More likely they would be libertarians or objectivists. ...Keith -------