Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!brl-adm!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU!mcgeer%sirius.Berkeley.EDU From: mcgeer%sirius.Berkeley.EDU@UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU Newsgroups: mod.politics Subject: Re: Firing Message-ID: <12272329194.35.MCGREW@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Date: Tue, 20-Jan-87 00:17:41 EST Article-I.D.: RED.12272329194.35.MCGREW Posted: Tue Jan 20 00:17:41 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 20-Jan-87 20:47:05 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: mcgeer%sirius.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 35 Approved: poli-sci@red.rutgers.edu [From KFL@mx.lcs.mit.edu Sun Nov 16 15:49:48 1986] Sad but true. Of course employers ought not fire someone simply because they use drugs, unless the drug use causes them to do poor work. And if they are doing poor work, it is hardly relevant whether it is due to drug use or not. (Which is not to say that employers should be forbidden by law from requiring drug tests - in case anyone misinterpets my saying "employers ought not" as meaning "there ought to be a law".) I forgot to mention employer costs for sickness and disability. Suppose an employee does an adequate job, but uses cocaine, alcohol, or tobacco to an extent that causes him to miss work time due to drug-related illness, or to use his employer-provided health benefits to an extent that the premiums increase? I merely point this out to observe that employers in the 1980's have legitimate concerns about their employees' fitness, which of course means that employers have an interest in ensuring that their employees do not abuse substances such as cocaine, alcohol, or tobacco. Of course, one can argue that substantial sick leave is one component of job performance, and that the solution to the health plan problem is to refuse to cover employees that fail to abide by a health code rather than refuse to hire such employees. Of course, the unions and the liberals will scream blue murder ... and the courts would probably hold such exclusions unlawful...but these are details that need not concern us here. Well, we are so close to full agreement that this is my last message on the subject, unless you think that there is some point in continuing... All the best, Rick. -------