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From: jkh@jade.BERKELEY.EDU (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: mod.rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm
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Date: Wed, 21-Jan-87 19:00:52 EST
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Posted: Wed Jan 21 19:00:52 1987
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Author: sdcsvax!gould9!joel@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Joel West @ Western Software Technology)

Article: 1:38


As someone pointed out, H&K was overlooked.  There are pretty expensive.  
The H&K are used by a few police agencies and are unique in that they 
are cocked by squeezing the handle, a SA more comparable to a DA.

Also, Ruger is supposedly coming out with their own 9mm at a very
reasonable price.  Their 22mm auto has been very good so I'm 
considering getting it.

Finally, if you care, most of the guns mentioned (except S&W) are imported 
from Europe.  We all should do our part to help the trade deficit.

Here's what my Gun Digest 1987 annual shows for 9mm autos:

Gun		Barrel	Rounds	Price	Mfr	Comment
Beretta 92F	4.9"	15	$685	Italy	Compact due out
Brno CS-75	4.7"	15	$635	Czech	CZ-85 ambidextrous
Browning DA	4.5"?	15	$430	?	I have little info
Brow. Hi-Power	4.7"	13	$452	Belg.	Single action
Colt Gov't	5"	7	$535	US	Single action
Colt Commander	4.25"	9	$535	US	Single action
Glock 17	4.5"	17	$443	Austria	Plastic pistol
H&K P7-M13	4.1"	13	$666	Germany	P7-M8 is 8-shot
H&K P9S		4"	9	$666	Germany	Not squeeze-cocker
Ruger P-85	4.5"	15	$295	US	Vaporware
SIG-Sauer P220	4.4"	9	$564	Germany	No safety
SIG-Sauer P225	3.8"	8	$602	Germany	No safety
SIG-Sauer P226	4.4"	15	$628	Germany	No safety
Steyr GB	5.4"	18	$595	Germany	Not very common
S&W 439		4"	8	$422	US	639 is stainless
S&W 459		4"	14	$460	US	659 is stainless
S&W 469		3.5"	12	$433	US	Compact; 669 stainless
Taurus PT-92AF	4.9"	15	$367	Brazil	PT-99 adjustable sights

(I've left out most of the "cheap" guns, except the Taurus, which is
a authorized(??) copy of an early Beretta 92F, and some suggest is 
the best of the cheapies.)

Some think the Glock -- the Austrian military sidearm -- is a good buy,
but [flame on] I don't believe in supporting a gun which has as its
main advantage that it is easier to smuggle on airplanes.  While
I'm at it, I'd have trouble buying the Brno for political reasons,
even though people say the Czechs make excellent guns.  [flame off]


[ I couldn't resist inserting a flame here. The Glock has a metal frame
  and slide rails (on the slide itself). Tests done with metal detectors
  and real airport security (who didn't know they were being tested) found
  that the weapon was as detectable as anything else. In fact, there has yet
  to be a hijack attempt involving a Glock. This is all Newsweek yellow
  journalism. - rudely inserted flame off.. -jh ]