Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!ut-sally!std-unix From: std-unix@ut-sally.UUCP (Moderator, John Quarterman) Newsgroups: mod.std.unix Subject: Re: 1003.2 Command Groups Message-ID: <6885@ut-sally.UUCP> Date: Sat, 17-Jan-87 19:31:29 EST Article-I.D.: ut-sally.6885 Posted: Sat Jan 17 19:31:29 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 18-Jan-87 00:50:09 EST Organization: IEEE P1003 Portable Operating System for Computer Environments Committee Lines: 40 Approved: jsq@sally.utexas.edu From: (Root Boy) Jim Cottrell Date: Tue, 13 Jan 87 03:58:08 EST > From: (Doug Gwyn) > >From: hoptoad!gnu@lll-crg.arpa (John Gilmore) > >... Is it going to be possible to sell a > >POSIX system without UUCP? Ditto for "mail"... > > I don't see why these should be mandated when many sites use > superior facilities in their place. Ditto for the spooler. Yes, and some of us with ARPA access refuse to believe UUCP exists. > >I suggest that "cpio" be excluded. Maybe they'll stop distributing > >System V on byte-order-dependent cpio tapes if it becomes non-standard. > > SVR2.0 was distributed on portable-header cpio tapes. > This is also true of the SVR3.0 source distribution. I can live with cpio as a replacement for tar, altho I would always force the -c option. > >I can't find "dircmp", "id", and a bunch of others in either V7 or 4.2 > >so I suspect it is not very portable to assume their existence. > > You also can't find a decent Bourne shell in those releases. > The standard should not be weakened unduly to permit existing > inadequate facilities to be advertised as already conforming! It works both ways. You also can't find a `diff -r' in TPC UNIX. Who needs `dircmp'? As for shells, does TPC even use Bourne's anymore? Isn't Korn's upward compatible? So do we mandate Korn's? All in all, I find this effort biased too much towards TPC and away from BSD. If we are to do that, I would rather start with V7 as a base rather than SV. Most UNIXen are derived from V7. Let's keep the standard that way too. (Root Boy) Jim Cottrell Volume-Number: Volume 9, Number 21