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From: wunder@hpcea.HP.COM (Walter Underwood)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Is the history file really needed anymore?
Message-ID: <7700001@hpcea.HP.COM>
Date: Sun, 18-Jan-87 18:30:44 EST
Article-I.D.: hpcea.7700001
Posted: Sun Jan 18 18:30:44 1987
Date-Received: Mon, 19-Jan-87 19:09:49 EST
References: <5504@ukma.ms.uky.csnet>
Organization: HP Corp. Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
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Relying on the ctime of the article sounds like you could get into
trouble with some varieties of tape backup, and strange versions of
Unix.  Yes, spool disks do get backed up, and they do get crashed.

If you haven't ever seen message-ID's that weren't of the form
<1234@vax.dom>, then here is a new experience for you.  All of these
ID's were extracted from my news archives.  Most of the strange one's
seem to be created by mailers, and posted into moderated groups.

I've randomly deleted about half of the non-atsign ID's that my search
found.

  <VAX-MM(180)+TOPSLIB(116)+PONY(0).26-Mar-86.09:08:28.SRI-IU.ARPA>
  <[USC-ISI.ARPA].8-Apr-86.13:30:51.ISAACSON>
  <VAX-MM(186)+TOPSLIB(117)+PONY(0).10-Apr-86.11:17:53.SRI-IU.ARPA>
  <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].30508.860424.SILVER>
  <[USC-ISIB.ARPA].6-May-86.12:02:48.YAMAZAKI>
  <VAX-MM(187)+TOPSLIB(118).11-May-86.08:50:06.ISI-VENERA.ARPA>
  <VAX-MM(194)+TOPSLIB(120)+PONY(0).30-Jul-86.17:43:10.SRI-WARBUCKS.ARPA>
  <[OAK.SAINET.MFENET].701C0320.008F2E4C.SECRIST>
  <VAX-MM(162)+TOPSLIB(114)+PONY(0).3-Apr-86.15:31:35.ISI-VLSIG.ARPA>
  <VAX-MM(162)+TOPSLIB(114)+PONY(0).10-Apr-86.16:18:31.ISI-VLSIH.ARPA>
  <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].30285.860423.KFL>
  <VAX-MM(162)+TOPSLIB(114)+PONY(0)..9-May-86.12:19:17.ISI-VLSIG.ARPA>
  <[USC-ISIE.ARPA]14-May-86.16:09:44.HCBROWN>
  <VAX-MM(194)+TOPSLIB(120)+PONY(0).15-May-86.23:08:42.SRI-IU.ARPA>
  <[G.BBN.COM]24-Jun-86.16:28:11.WOLF>
  <VAX-MM(194)+TOPSLIB(120)+PONY(0).25-Jun-86.16:07:48.SU-STAR.ARPA>
  <VAX-MM(194)+TOPSLIB(120)+PONY(0).3-Jul-86.11:03:10.SRI-IU.ARPA>
  <VAX-MM(194)+TOPSLIB(120)+PONY(0).6-Jul-86.23:07:30.SRI-IU.ARPA>
  <[MX.LCS.MIT.EDU].931527.860706.KFL>
  <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].67100.860708.KFL>
  <[MX.LCS.MIT.EDU].932390.860710.KFL>
  <"MS11(5206)+GLXLIB5(0)".12221054599.25.595.46644.at.MARLBORO.DEC.COM>
  <[MX.LCS.MIT.EDU].932363.860710.KFL>
  <VAX-MM(194)+TOPSLIB(120)+PONY(0) 13-Jul-86 13:22:47.SRI-IU.ARPA>
  <[MX.LCS.MIT.EDU].936349.860726.KFL>
  <[G.BBN.COM]30-Jul-86.09:15:51.WOLF>
  <[OAK.SAINET.MFENET].AD56D260.008F2CA8.SECRIST>
  <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].850641.860314.GUMBY>
  <[USC-ISI.ARPA]18-Apr-86.18:24:14.CERF>
  <"MS11(5146)+GLXLIB0(4)-4".12199814474.19.126.16540.at.MARLBORO.DEC.COM>
  <"MS11(5146)+GLXLIB0(4)-4" 12199813787.19.126.7685 at MARKET>
  <[USC-ISI.ARPA]20-Apr-86.18:15:30.CERF>
  <[SU-SCORE.ARPA]20-Apr-86.16:43:03.BILLW>
  <[BUCS20.BU.EDU].JSOL.25-Apr-86.18:10:41>
  <[SRI-NIC.ARPA].7-May-86.04:09:01.STJOHNS>
  <VAX-MM(187)+TOPSLIB(118)..6-May-86.12:49:10.IPTO.ARPA>
  <[F.BBN.COM]19-May-86.16:09:16.JDELSIGNORE>
  <VAX-MM(187)+TOPSLIB(118).27-May-86.16:53:11.ISI-VENERA.ARPA>
  <[USC-ISIB.ARPA]28-May-86.01:04:26.CHASE>
  <[A.BBN.COM]29-May-86.09:56:39.CLYNN>
  <[SRI-NIC.ARPA]30-Jun-86.04:59:52.STJOHNS>

There are lots more than this, but two things are clear:

  1) You can't realy on anything except the angle brackets.
  2) You aren't going to change every mailer/news-reader in
     the universe to use <1234@newsvax.foobar>.

If is is in consolation, these ID's give older versions of notes
a serious case of heartburn.

wunder